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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 219
Today's Topics:
[B7L] [Fwd: Mail System Error - Returned Mail]
[B7L] alone and silent?
Re: Tarrant and Vila (was Re: [B7L] Servalan)(long)
Re: Tarrant and Vila (was Re: [B7L] Servalan)(long)
Re: Lyst wars (Re: [B7L] Re: Soolin (was Servalan))
Re: Re[B7L] website
Re: Tarrant and Vila (was Re: [B7L] Servalan)(long)
Re: Tarrant and Vila (was Re: [B7L] Servalan)(long)
Re: [B7L] Disliked characters, etc
[B7L] new newsgroups
Re: [B7L] Soolin and Avon? Mmmm... Mmmmm... Mmmmm
Re: [B7L] new newsgroups
[B7L] Re: webpage
[B7L] Jenna and Cally
[B7L] Penny and Arkaroo can't get through
[B7L] Test. Don't Bother To Read. Really.
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Oops! I await the comfy chairs, the poking with soft cusions, etc. with
dread! Actually, I am more surprised that there is someone incensed
enough about Travis II to torture me than I care about the torture
itself! Does he REALLY have fans?! Perhaps I am wrong. Perhaps I just
imagined his dreadful, dire acting and whingy irritating voice... I
stand corrected.
Rob: Are you kidding? You think Avon lacked subtlety? He was
beautifully subtle and sophisticated! What you you mean that black
leather and studs isn't exactly understated? Who cares - he looked
wonderful!
Neil: I have to agree that I find the Tarrant/Vila pairing one of the
least believable. That isn't because I think they necessarily hated
each other - although Vila was wary of Tarrant (not scared though -
witness his response in "Moloch" when Tarrant pointed the gun at him).
He was mistreated by him though, and I think he felt somewhat of an
outcasst when Cally died. "Orbit" certainly lost any previous, tenuous
security he felt and I thought he looked quite scared when Avon appeared
in "Blake" - in the shack where he was sheltering with Dayna and Soolin
(neither of whom liked him either). However, a lot of relationships in
B7 were ambiguous - and, therefore, more interesting. Now Blake and
Avon - THAT I could believe. A lot was going on there!
Tiger: You think Vila preferred Doran to Tarrant. However, I thought
that was odd. Doran was a psychotic rapist (well, they all were!).
However, I couldn't really see Vila going for that. "Moloch" is worth
watching for the Vila/Servalan scenes though - wish they'd done more
together. As for only one body on B7 worthy of sculpture - ah well,
you're quite welcome to leave Blake for me (and Judith!). I certainly
think Gareth Thomas is the most physically attractive - but that's only
a matter of taste. Besides they were all gorgeous (apart from Travis
II - grin! Sorry Penny!).
Lorna B: Perhaps Tarrant and Dayna were a little more impressed with
being on Liberator than they admitted? Dayna's father certainly knew
who Avon was and seemed quite chuffed at his attempts to bring down the
Federation. The chance for "Legendary" or "Infamous" status? I'm not
putting this forward as a theory - it's just a thought that occured to
me.
Adam: You say that Avon showed "no real hostility towards Vila." YES,
that's what I meant! Thank you.
I await censure, reprimand and reproval in the next list...
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 02:15:04 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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My server's been down most of a day. Got the morning
mail from the crossover list but nothing from lysator
or personal stuff. If anybody's sent me personally
anything particularly important, please resend.
Thanx.
Mistral
--
"It seems that I'm some kind of a galactic yo-yo."
--the third Doctor
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 03:27:04 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: Tarrant and Vila (was Re: [B7L] Servalan)(long)
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Carol Mc writes:
<Vila's behavior on Keezarn supports the theory that he wasn't
terrified. He faces down Bayban the Butcher with poise and
equanimity. A lot of Vila's cowardly posing was more to get out of
work than genuine terror. Sure, he was afraid - as any sensible
person would be--but he wasn't as afraid as he would have liked others to
believe.>
And Adamwho replies:
<Vila looked pretty terrified to me when Tarrant threatened him.
Just because Vila quickly adapted to the situation on Keezarn doesn't
mean he felt any less fear beforehand.>
Oh, he was scared all right - Tarrant knew what he was doing, and
twisted the knife very well. Vila’s 'cowardly posing' is a
*completely* different thing and fairly easy to spot (see the start of
Seek-Locate-Destroy for a perfect example. And just before he and
Avon are teleported into the Forbidden Zone in Pressure Point). No,
trying to criticise Vila in order to excuse Tarrant is *not* on, IMHO,
it's simply blaming the victim.
Once he was down on Keezarn, Vila did what he *had* to - swallowed
his fear and got on with surviving. Something he's good at.
In a separate post, Carol wrote:
<I'd honestly rather hope for an isolated incident estrangement than
to think Vila believed no one on the ship - including longtime
associates Avon and Cally - cared a fiddle about his welfare.>
Could have been, but I don't think Vila ever had much faith in Avon
in that way, and would have just have easily believed it if he'd been
told Avon was going to throw *Tarrant* of the ship if it suited. After
all, it wasn't IMO till Trial/Killer that Vila sussed out that Avon would
*not* do the same to Fearless Leader, and he had no reason to
believe anyone else except - maybe - Cally was safe. And he could
quite easily have believed that Cally would be no match - even if
she tried to help him - for Avon and Tarrant.
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 08:36:43 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Tarrant and Vila (was Re: [B7L] Servalan)(long)
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On Tue 13 Jul, Tigerm1019@aol.com wrote:
>
> I agree that Vila is a willing accomplice, despite the fact that they are
> leaving Blake, Cally and Jenna without emergency teleport in a very dangerous
> situation. However, Vila didn't come to his senses from the drug until he was
> already in the chair. He says he doesn't want to play, whereupon Krantor
> declares that the five million credits would be forfeit. Avon insists that
> Vila play, despite the risk to Vila's life. He tries to protest and Avon
> overrides him because he'd rather risk Vila's life than forfeit the five
> million credits. This seems to be nothing more than selfishness and greed to
> me.
>
> > The script is at
> >
> > ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/blake7/scripts/24.Gambit
> >
> > if you want to check for yourself.
>
> I have something better: the pro tapes.;-) Scripts are Ok, but they don't
> always have what actually appears on screen in them.
They aren't scripts, they're transcripts typed in by fans while they listened to
episodes. Thus, baring mistakes, they will agree with what was on screen.
Horizon sell copies of rehersal scripts and these will often have dialogue or
comments that did not appear on screen.
>
> > Once Vila has recovered from the drugging, yes, Avon does tell him to
> > play (rather than lose the money). But Vila is sober if panicked at
> > that point, and I think he wants the money every bit as much as Avon does.
>
> Hmmm, it looked to me as though Vila wanted to quit and not risk his life,
> even if it meant forfeiting the money. I doubt Avon would have been so eager
> if it had been his life on the line.
That's the way I've always seen it. Avon gambled with Vila's life rather than
lose the money.
Avon can be an absolute bastard. I love him dearly, but I have to recognise
both his good and bad bits. His charm can make love blind.
Judith
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 19:22:54 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Lyst wars (Re: [B7L] Re: Soolin (was Servalan))
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Mistral wrote stacks of stuff, far more than I have time to answer:
<Neil Faulkner wrote:
<but I must confess to feeling irked sometimes when a thread on background
or
theoretical surmising gets hijacked by the character-centric lobby, who then
turn it into a frame-by-frame account of interactive moments.>
I can understand that. I don't much care for serious character
analyses to be turned into one-sided paeans, either. OTOH, isn't
it possible for a thread to split, or progress logically from one
topic to another? Hijack it back ;-)>
Not generally possible, since the sheer volume of posts takes the thread
firmly onto one course. Obviously, this does reflect the interest of most
posters (who would seem to be in the Acc 1/2 corner, by Una's Q sorts), and
I'm not suggesting they should be silenced in any way, but us Acc 3/4s can
end up getting stifled. It's not just a difference in spheres of interest,
but a difference in perspective, terms of reference, and just the way posts
get written. It's easy for a thread to move in from the outside, far harder
for it to move back out again. The series, for example, offers heaps of
reference points re the characters, far fewer re the background, so any
discussion on the latter has to be conjectural with very little hard
evidence to support it.
<Surely nobody expects everyone to enjoy every thread? Although,
you might contribute your analysis of how growing up in Federation
society caused Tarrant to have the dysfunctional attitudes that
allowed him to abuse Vila ;-)>
No, of course not everyone enjoys every thread, nor should they feel they
have any right to. And the Tarrant example you cite is just another case of
moving onto the very character-specifics I would prefer to avoid. (Does
Tarrant have dysfunctional attitudes anyway? Ask a question like that and
you get a sackload of posts about Tarrant, very few about dysfunctionality).
<<<It would be rather silly to think that Liberator/Scorpio crew all
felt
warm and fuzzy about each other, all of the time.>
<<A paragraph that neatly illustrates my point of threads moving from
the
theoretical to the specific.>>
<<grin> Now I find this both fascinating and unfathomable. You'd
have preferred that paragraph stopped after the first sentence?>
Er ... well, yes, actually.
<Whereas I don't trust theories and generalities; as far as I am
concerned, a person who doesn't back up their assertions with
evidence is either lazy, bluffing, or closed-minded; ergo not actually
interested in dialogue and therefore not worth the effort of talking
to.>
So I'm lazy. But supplying evidence without being challenged to do so is
something that can really drive me up the wall - I tend to assume that
people know what they're talking about until they've proved otherwise
(especially on the Lyst - we're all fans here, after all). If nothing else,
it makes posts a lot shorter:)
<From me, a specific is a tender of sincerity. I would never expect
someone else to change his mind based on my conclusions alone
because I would never change mine based on another's conclusion;
however, there might be a piece of data that I didn't notice, or a
logical inference that I failed to draw.>
I don't really think we're here to change each other's minds. I doubt if
you'll ever change mine. I certainly don't believe I could ever change
yours:)
< *Why* people think and do
certain things is far more illustrative than *what* they think and
do.
For example, <g> I am always disappointed, as earlier this week,
when you make a comment about how you view Cally, without
explaining *why* you view her that way.>
I view her that way mainly because I want to. Same goes for all the other
characters. They're fuzzily defined fictional creations that can be adapted
to suit the preferences of the viewer, as indeed can the entirety of the
series. For me, active fandom is about turning B7 into what you want it to
be, not seeking some non-existent definition of what it was. This
malleability is one of the most important characteristics of B7, certainly
to me one of the most attractive.
< From an odd comment
here and there, and your essay 'Oh no! Not Dayna', I believe
you must have thought about the characters a great deal; and I'd
enjoy giving serious consideration to a new slant on Cally; but an
unsupported conclusion gives me nothing to ponder, and no
incentive to reevaluate my own position.>
Since I wasn't trying to get you or anyone else to reevaluate their attitude
to Cally, looking for an incentive to do so would be a pretty pointless
exercise.
<< and (b) I don't think - though here I admit that
I may well be wrong - that they are half as significant as all these
in-depth character analyses seem to suggest. Isolated moments are next to
meaningless as sources of information for how two people relate to each
other.>
<:) Approximately as meaningless as points that define a
mathematical function. The more complex the function,
the more points are necessary. Human relationships are
notoriously complex; the goal is to show the pattern.>
We obviously have a very different approach here. At least you acknowledge
that I've given the characters some thought... My impressions of the
characters is probably based on subliminal absorption of them over the
course of all the relevant episodes, rather than specific focussing on
particular moments, actions, statements etc. Obviously I notice what they
do/say, but I don't -study- such things. I acquire a general fuzzy
impression rather than a sharply detailed picture.
<Most everyone has multiple layers of motives for most every
action; but discussion of motives doesn't imply premeditation,
as many motives are subconscious; it doesn't mean those
motives don't exist.>
True, and I would have said so, but I didn't want to ramble on with endless
caveats and provisos (another habit I find extremely irritating, and best
left to lawyers).
<As for being made up by the script-writers, well, making the
pattern of the character out of what the script-writers gave
us is just another aspect of The Game; and I know that doesn't
really interest you, but have you considered that the milieu is
just as artificial as the characters? In both cases, simply an
artistic representation of reality, not reality itself; which makes
discussion of background and characters equally valid or invalid,
and simply a matter of personal interest.>
I don't think I've seriously tried to argue otherwise (I might have done so
with tongue firmly stuffed in cheek, though). Of course the milieu is every
bit as contrived as the characters, and considerably more under-developed,
which makes it far harder to discuss even though it is, to me at least,
every bit as interesting.
<I've missed something, I think. What significance do people
attach to bickering between Blake and Avon?>
You could always try reading some B/A slash:)
<Ooh. Well, I think the relationships are largely familial>
Guaranteed to have me reaching for the sick bag. They're colleagues, not
cousins.
<In that case, Pusillus, allow me to really demolish your day
by sending you a
<hug> >
Intensive Care, here I come...
Neil
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Date: Tue, 13 Jul 1999 19:53:58 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Re[B7L] website
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Una wrote:
>> http://homepages.tesco.net/~N.Faulkner/blakes7/index.htm
<Neil, I really enjoyed your site a great deal, but I can't get the New
Labour piccie to work! :( Could you send it to me direct so I can have a
look?>
Judith had a problem with this as well. It loaded OK for me on IE4, though.
I'll have a look and see if I can fix it, but if it's nothing eye-grabbingly
obvious then it's going to be beyond me.
Oh, and Julia - if I really was a masochist, I would change my name to
Sara...
A Cally tribute page is in the pipeline. First, however, I need some decent
pictures of sheep.
Neil
>
>Una
>
>
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:41:42 -0500
From: "Lorna B." <msdelta@magnolia.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Tarrant and Vila (was Re: [B7L] Servalan)(long)
Message-Id: <199907141849.NAA29721@pemberton.magnolia.net>
Carol Mc said:
>I believe the point is that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw
>stones. Avon doesn't hesitate to send Vila into danger. Sometimes Vila
>protests (to no avail) and sometimes he doesn't. It's still a case that
>Avon's mission is putting Vila in danger. I don't fault Avon. They were a
>team. It's only fair to spread the risks around. The point is both Avon
and
>Tarrant sent Vila into risky situations.
And so did Blake. None of them were saints, lucky for us. :-)
>Again, I'm not faulting Avon for choosing Vila for missions or for risking
>Vila's life. As Avon said, there are "calculated risks." And they are all
>required to take some of them. But I do find it hypocritical that Avon
>criticizes Tarrant for frightenging Vila and for sending Vila into danger
>when he does the same thing himself.
Yes. Nicely put. Actually, it kind of hearkens back to when Blake was
around--Avon always had to gripe about and nitpick at whatever plan Blake
brought forward (sometimes justifiably, yes) so maybe he was falling back
into that pattern with Tarrant's plans. Just a thought.
Lorna B.
"Cookies and porn? You're the best mom ever!"
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:44:06 -0500
From: "Lorna B." <msdelta@magnolia.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Tarrant and Vila (was Re: [B7L] Servalan)(long)
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Carol Mc wrote:
>Ooops, you are absolutely right! I need to revise Vila's reliability as a
>trustmeter. It's not effective around women (he'd have probably been taken
>in as easily by Piri as Tarrant was, come to think of it :) or around men
who
>enjoy partying.
He *was* taken in by Piri. Seemed quite taken by her when they met, to the
point of coughing loudly in order to force their being formally introduced.
I have no doubt he'd have been falling all over her had he been around her
for any length of time.
Wonder if she had good legs?
Lorna B.
"Cookies and porn? You're the best mom ever!"
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 13:48:58 -0500
From: "Lorna B." <msdelta@magnolia.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Disliked characters, etc
Message-Id: <199907141856.NAA00550@pemberton.magnolia.net>
>> That was a very nasty scene. The only excuse Avon had for that action
was
>> the very bad position the rebels were in. That would make anyone
>> exceptionally testy. But, jeez, Vila really couldn't help blabbing to
>> Travis. With a gun to his head, what else could he do?
Carol Mc said:
>Die. ;-)
:-P I meant *besides* that!
>Granted Avon has cause to be worried and testy, but he also seems to be
>conveniently forgetting that Vila wouldn't have been there to mess up if
Avon
>hadn't chosen him for the job. Mind you, Avon didn't expect Vila to mess
up.
This *is* Vila we're talking about. Avon probably should have expected him
to mess up. :-)
> But things don't always turn out as you expect. Tarrant didn't think he
was
>sending Vila into danger in CITY. Everyone makes mistakes.
True. The Keezarnians looked about as threatening as a basketful of fluffy
kittens. They sure made quick work of Bayban's bunch when the closing bell
sounded, though.
>This might be a time to look at different leadership styles. I'm not
saying
>one style is wrong and one style is right; I'm just pointing out
differences.
>When Blake and Tarrant sent people off into danger, they assumed
>responsibility for them.
>
>In SEEK, LOCATE Blake insists on going back for Cally, to name just one
>example.
A stupid move, this is true. But very Blake.
>In CITY Tarrant isn't willing to leave Keezarn without Vila when Avon
>suggests it is time to leave (because the light is failing), to name just
one
>example.
I never could figure out why Avon wanted to get back to the ship before
lights out. Afraid of the dark, or did they not have enough batteries for
their torches?
>What say we pop on over to ye old Space City Satellite of Sin
>and discuss two bodies worthy of sculpture, particularly when they are
>tangled together. <g>
Sounds good to me.
Lorna B.
"Cookies and porn? You're the best mom ever!"
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:31:03 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] new newsgroups
Message-ID: <lta5PKAXlMj3EwaB@jajones.demon.co.uk>
Someone's just posted to alt.fan.blakes-7 with the following cross-
posting:
alt.fan.blakes-7, alt.tv.blakes7, apana.lists.rec.blakes-7,
sff.tv.blakes7
s.t.b7 is in the Demon feed (it wasn't last time I checked a few months
ago), although a.t.b7 and the apana group aren't. Looks like it's time
to update that bit of the FAQ about "Why isn't there a newsgroup?". The
groups might have a wide enough propogation now to be usable. (Before
anyone says "Deja" might I remind you that much of the European
contingent have net access through dialup on metered local calls. Deja
is not a financially practical means of following newsgroups for those
of us in that situation.)
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 11:04:16 -0700
From: Pat Patera <patpatera@netzero.net>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Soolin and Avon? Mmmm... Mmmmm... Mmmmm
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mistral@ptinet.net wrote:
> Mmmm.... <snip> [And one of the things
> I particularly like is that he always, quite calmly, gives her
> an explanation -- and generally without showing any hint
> of irritation.]
That's because she didn't carry on inanely or ask stupid questions.
I feel his tolerant answers showed that he resepcted her intelligence.
> Take a look at Headhunter, Gold, Warlord (especially
> Warlord). Their working relationship is smooth, efficient, wordless
*sigh* they would have made such a mahvelous spy team back in the '60s:
The man from R.E.B.E.L. and his beautiful hitman, Soolin
> and not only can she handle him -- he allows himself to be handled.
oooooooohhhhhhhhh! At this imagery, I feel all ... tingly.
Mmmm... Mmmmm... Mmmmm...
'-)
> > In general, though, Soolin had the ability to look into people's hearts.
<snip>
>
> Actually, it's because of that sensitivity that she's likely to
> care for him eventually.
Watch her expression in Headhunter, when Avon is trying to seat the
android's limiter head. He is getting painful electric shocks, and from
the look on Soolin's face, she is the only observer who "feels his
pain."
In a way, it is out of character for Soolin to show that kind of caring
for another, but I like to think she makes a special exception to her
icy facade just for Avon.
> > Someone as complicated as Soolin would need to be with someone who
> > understood her perfectly. Avon simply lacked the subtlety and
> > sophistication to do so.
>
> Dear me, I'd have to think that Soolin's well aware that no-one
> is ever understood perfectly.
I agree. Soolin in practical, with no delusions about how things could
be, should be, might be, etc. That's Cally territory. I could even see
Dayna operating from a sense of righteousness illusion. And, of all the
characters (except perhaps Servalan and Carnell) I found Avon the most
subtle and sophisticated.
As for Avon's flaws, I think Soolin would appreciate them, for she is
flawed herself and could not measure up to a perfect paradigm of loving
warmth and compassion such as an emotionally "whole and undamaged" man
might be.
I see Soolin's driving force as survival. Hence, becoming intimate /
trusting with someone superior to her would put her at a disadvantage; a
position she would never assume. Her S.O. would need to be a competent
survivalist, yet imperfect. Avon fits the bill. (and being handsome and
briany and sexy don't hurt a bit either)
Slavering Pat P
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 16:15:14 EDT
From: AdamWho@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] new newsgroups
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In a message dated 99-07-14 15:09:23 EDT, julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk
writes:
<< Someone's just posted to alt.fan.blakes-7 with the following cross-
posting:
alt.fan.blakes-7, alt.tv.blakes7, apana.lists.rec.blakes-7,
sff.tv.blakes7
>>
AOL has none of these listed as available, if any of the other AOLers here
want the process to move a little faster, send mail to NewsMaster and request
any or all of these newsgroups. If anyone else has any other suggestions, be
my guest, I know very little about how to get AOL to allow us access to these
newsgroups.
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:12:43 +0100
From: "Susan Bennett" <susanb@iol.ie>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: webpage
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Una & Neil:
<Neil, I really enjoyed your site a great deal, but I can't get the New
Labour piccie to work! :( Could you send it to me direct so I can have a
look?>
<Judith had a problem with this as well. It loaded OK for me on IE4, though.
I'll have a look and see if I can fix it, but if it's nothing eye-grabbingly
obvious then it's going to be beyond me.>
You mean that wasn't the joke? The caption said that promises were hard to
deliver and there was no picture, so I thought it was one of Neil's... er...
political
statements <g>.
Susanb
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 22:12:09 +0100
From: S Riaz <t.riaz@virgin.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Jenna and Cally
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Adam wrote: The only way Cally and Jenna could ever be more than civil
toward each other was a team up against Blake.
Not so. Witness Cally's behaviour in "Orac" when Jenna is ill with
radiation sickness and staggers in the corridor returning to her
cabin. Cally is obviously concerned, and rushes up to help her. I
think Cally missed Jenna and Blake a lot. After all, the Liberator
crew had rescued her really, from a very lonely and traumatic
situation. After being virtually outcast from Auron and then alone on
Saurian Major, I think Cally appreciated being accepted by the others.
I'm not entirely sure about this, but I think Tarrant and Dayna did make
the odd reference to Cally's being alien and, therefore, suspect, which
seemed to upset her. Possibly because having done her part to be
accepted by the original Liberator crew, she then had to deal with new
people who saw her as "different" all over again.
Jacqueline, Chief High Inquisitioner of the Church of the True Travis?!
I sense I am dealing with some VERY odd people here... Perhaps we have
more in common than we would like to admit! (Didn't like his eyepatch
either...) I remain unrepentant!
Sally Manton: Oh, PLEASE don't tell me that there are Jarriere fans?
Please, please! I don't believe it - I can't believe it. Surely there
were reasons he only appeared in one episode! (Actully, saying that, so
did Carnell and Del Grant - thus the scriptwriters threw away two very
good characters).
By the way, Neil, I visited your website today. The photo's of Avon's
range of expressions was deliciously priceless and wickedly funny!
Also, I read "Morgan" yesterday. Judith has had my emails enthusing
over it - simply the best zine I've ever read. Anyone want to share
thoughts on it with me? Anyone not read it - go get a copy then!
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:03:46 -0600
From: Arkaroo <woollard@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Penny and Arkaroo can't get through
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I certainly hope this gets through to the list, though I doubt it will.
We're unable to post, you see. Tragic.
Arkaroo
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 17:39:17 -0600
From: Penny <pennypoly@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Test. Don't Bother To Read. Really.
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Test. Yawn. I warned you it wouldn't be worth your while.
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