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blakes7-d Digest Volume 99 : Issue 215
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Avon and Liberator
[B7L] His Holiness Del Tarrant I (was Re:Soolin)
Re: [B7L] Re: Soolin (was Servalan)
[B7L] Video cover art
Re: [B7L] Servalan
Re: [B7L] Servalan
[B7L] Re: The estimable Jarriere
Re: [B7L] Re: Soolin (was Servalan)
[B7L] Re: Re: Soolin (was Servalan)
[B7L] Costume query
Re: [B7L] Holland
Tarrant and his crewmates (was Re: [B7L] Servalan)
Re: [B7L] Video cover art
Re: Tarrant and Vila (was Re: [B7L] Servalan)(long)
Re: Tarrant and Vila (was Re: [B7L] Servalan)(long)
Re: [B7L] The estimable Jarriere
Re: [B7L] Re: Re: Soolin (was Servalan)
Re: [B7L] Costume query
Re: [B7L] Costume query
Re: [B7L] Re: Soolin (was Servalan)
Re: [B7L] Cally (was Servalan)
RE: [B7L] Servalan
[B7L] A B7 newsgroup
Re: Tarrant and Vila (was Re: [B7L] Servalan)(long)
Re: [B7L] A B7 newsgroup
Re: [B7L] Costume query
Re: [B7L] Re: Re: Soolin (was Servalan)
Re: [B7L] Costume query
Re: [B7L] A B7 newsgroup
[B7L] Costume query
Re: [B7L] Costume query
Lyst wars (Re: [B7L] Re: Soolin (was Servalan))
Re: [B7L] Costume query
Re: [B7L] Re: Re: Soolin (was Servalan)
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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 23:50:58 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon and Liberator
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Ellyne wrote:
<When Avon told Blake he wanted the Liberator, Avon was
expecting Blake to more or less succeed at Star One, then
go to Earth and either become president or continue leading
the revolution from there.>
True...
<In the first case, Avon wouldn't have to worry about the
Federation and Servalan being after him and the ship because
they wouldn't be around to do it. In the second case, he
wouldn't have to worry because they would have Blake (a bigger
concern to them than the ship) up close wrecking havoc. Either
way, he probably felt fairly safe about flying off into the sunset.
Although I think his primary reason to search for Blake in season
3 was to, well, find Blake, he must have realized how much less trouble he
would have had if Blake had been around to draw the Federation's attention.>
That's all very well and good if we can swallow the premise that
Avon *would* have flown off into the sunset...yes, I agree that
he might have convinced himself of all of this. But one look at
his track history, especially where Fearless Leader was concerned, clearly
indicates to me that he would have done a Horizon-like but much longer
dither trying to find an impeccably selfish reason to
hang around and keep a scornful but protective eye on the lot of
them (especially if Cally and Vila - the other two he does care
about - went with Blake).
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 00:04:32 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] His Holiness Del Tarrant I (was Re:Soolin)
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Joanne MacQueen wrote:
> I knew this would happen <grin> Express a crisis of faith in the One True
> Avon, and Her Holiness the Godmother, Archbishop of the Church of St
> Curlytop the Younger comes sniffing around.
St. Curlytop the Younger?????
<snigger> With a name like that, even I might be tempted
to join up. <Mistral grabs studded black leather shield and
laser-probe> Back, Godmother! Back!
> What are Tarrant Nostra skills, anyway? Is there a mantra to be chanted? Or
> some sort of martial art, a tai chi-like set of movements not unlike those
> needed to pilot the Liberator? <smile>
Or like those in Sarcophagus :)
Grins,
Mistral
--
"Happy landings!"--Tarrant
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 03:10:31 EDT
From: AdamWho@aol.com
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Soolin (was Servalan)
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In a message dated 99-07-11 00:53:29 EDT, patpatera@netzero.net writes:
<< And, Soolin has a sense of humor similar to that of Avon, while Cally is
surely the most humorless character in the entire series. Does she ever
joke or even crack a smile? >>
I think there are the beginnings of a slight smile when she's threatening
Space City in Shadow. And she seemed to be in a playful mood during parts of
Deathwatch. She smiled after she told Vila to have a little patience when he
asked her to teleport him back up. Cally smiles at least twice in Children of
Auron, when she sees Zelda through the glass, and when they hug.
<<Cally
simply has no skills that Avon admires.>>
He did work very closely with her in Voice from the Past, he must have
admired or respected some of her skills. I've always thought of Cally as one
of the few members of the Liberator crew Avon cared for. She had a
straight-forwardness that he also had. For instance, Redemption, she
immediately walks to Avon and asks what she can do to help, none of the
others do that. Avon obviously understood why they didn't, but he probably
admired Cally for walking straight up to him and asking what he needed her to
work on.
I hope my opinion of Soolin improves, but from what I've seen of her in
Rescue, she's a character who is supposed to be deadly, cool, and aloof, but
the actress doesn't make it very believable. One scene in particular, Sooling
pushing Avon's gun to the side so she could move past him, was very forced.
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 03:14:32 EDT
From: AdamWho@aol.com
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Subject: [B7L] Video cover art
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Does anyone know who designed the cover art for the early 90's "BFS" B7 video
releases, or their reasons for choosing specific images? I can't help
wondering why they chose Cally to appear on the cover for
"Moloch\Deathwatch", when she had little to do in these episodes, but she
appears nowhere on the cover of volume 20, "Terminal\Deathwatch".
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 00:39:31 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Servalan
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AdamWho@aol.com wrote:
> Avon always treated Jenna far more harshly than Dayna or Cally. Must be the
> rivalry over Blake. His remarks become irritating on some occasions ("Trial"
> in particular), especially when Jenna doesn't insult him back, she just takes
> it.
Perhaps it's just me, but I always interpret Avon's refusing to
pull any punches with Jenna as a sign of respect -- he knows
she can take it. And in places such as you describe in Trial,
I infer that to be her refusing to take the bait -- holding herself
aloof, not 'taking it'.
My interpretation of the A-J dynamic is a certain degree of
understanding and respect without any real closeness. I
certainly don't see them in any rivalry over Blake; perhaps
because I'm not yet persuaded that Jenna understood the
importance of the B-A relationship to both men. But to me the
relationships are completely different, and there's really nothing
for there to be a rivalry about.
Just IMHO,
Mistral
--
"I don't trust unless I'm trusted in return"--Jenna
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 03:50:09 EDT
From: AdamWho@aol.com
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Servalan
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In a message dated 99-07-11 03:38:15 EDT, mistral@ptinet.net writes:
<< And in places such as you describe in Trial,
I infer that to be her refusing to take the bait -- holding herself
aloof, not 'taking it'. >>
You're right. I phrased it poorly. I never thought Jenna "taking it" meant
she was a wimp. I meant she refused to go down to his level, or, in the case
of Trial, being so weary and frustrated after Gan dying and Blake leaving
she'd rather walk out of the room than listen to his digs.
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 04:16:03 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: The estimable Jarriere
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We did have an idea the other night about Bollywood, in which the crew keep
breaking off from blowing things up and liberating planets in order to do a
lavish song and dance number around the flight deck. So possibly
Jarriere's real secret is that he's a fantastic song-and-dance man,
specialising in partnering elegant ladies in long white - er, red -
dresses, and Servalan suspects this will come in handy in a set-up like
Freedom City.
Harriet
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 06:56:30 EDT
From: Mac4781@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Soolin (was Servalan)
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Jo Ann wrote:
> Let's see if I can do this properly this time <grits teeth> Without hitting
> any further wrong keys on this thing (meaning my brother's laptop).
Been there, done that. Laptops are evil. They jump up and send your mail
before you are ready. ;)
> My first attempt to answer this was accidently sent straight to Carol, who
> informs me that AOL must've been hungry (well, that's not exactly what she
> said, but it comes to the same thing...)
I hadn't realized my subliminal cursing was that evident. <g>
> Let's see how much of what I wrote
> before that I can remember, and how coherent I can manage to be with a
> temperature above normal.
Best wishes for a speedy cooling.
> Really, Avon could've been talking about himself there.
Very, very true. He's reminding himself about Avon's rules of life.
> I know that Mistral thinks otherwise, but I am glad that there is someone
> else who appears to think that similarities will repel, in their case.
Yes, it's like trying to get two positive poles of a magnet to stick to each
other.
> My
> speculation would be that they would become more suspicious of each other
> over time, simply because they are too well aware of what makes the other
> tick, and not necessarily caring for it.
That's an excellent point, one I hadn't thought of. It's exactly why Soolin
is suspicious that Avon set them up as bait in BLAKE. She saw him do it in
STARDRIVE and knows he's capable of it. It's always going to be in the back
of her mind that he can do it again. I don't think she faults him for that
behavior; she just doesn't want to end up as the bait in Avon's trap, even if
his trap is meant to save all of them (not just himself). That's always
going to be in the back of her mind.
> When it comes to shiftiness, Dorian would beat Avon time and time again.
Dorian had a lot longer to perfect the technique. :)
> I'll say one thing for Soolin - she must be good at compartmentalising
> thoughts and feelings in her brain to keep on living in Xenon base.
I think she's got compartmentalizing down to a science. It's something she's
had to develop over the years. She endured being around the person who
killed her family in order to develop the skills to kill him.
> This could be a little harsh, as it appears (to me, at least) that her
> pragmatic side is all there is.
I have to agree with you. There are moments when I wonder whether there is
anything less pragmatic left, deep inside, but it seems very unlikely. She
was only eight when she had to adopt pure pragmatism to survive.
> Fair enough. It's not as though they were leading nice, calm lives. We all
> know what happened when Cally attempted some meditation exercises (that
was
> an extremely uncomfortable-looking position Blake was meant to be
holding!).
And their rest trip to the Teal-Vandor Convention turned out to be anything
but restful.
> I knew this would happen <grin> Express a crisis of faith in the One True
> Avon, and Her Holiness the Godmother, Archbishop of the Church of St
> Curlytop the Younger comes sniffing around.
Just trying to help. <g>
> What are Tarrant Nostra skills, anyway? Is there a mantra to be chanted?
Or
> some sort of martial art, a tai chi-like set of movements not unlike those
> needed to pilot the Liberator? <smile>
Our special vacation package is actually quite relaxing. It's meant to be
more restorative than anything else. We issue sunglasses with watermark
images of Tarrant on the lenses. Encourage the vacationee to watch third and
fourth season episodes during spare time. Read a lot of Tarrant Nostra
approved fanfic. Listen to BY JEEVES, Ken Hill's PHANTOM OF THE OPERA, MR.
CINDERS, and LEAVE HIM TO HEAVEN when in the mood for music. (Who is that
singer who sounds a lot like Tarrant?) This will not only allow you to
develop the serenity and endurance that is a requirement of Tarrant Nostra
membership, but when implemented properly, it also tones muscles.
Carol Mc
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 12:47:17 +0100
From: "Susan Bennett" <susanb@iol.ie>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Re: Soolin (was Servalan)
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Pat Patera said:
<And, Soolin has a sense of humor similar to that of Avon, while Cally is
surely the most humorless character in the entire series. Does she ever
joke or even crack a smile?>
Two that spring to mind are "The Keeper", where she tells Avon that he could
"hardly miss at that range", and smiles at his reply, and "City" where she
replies "but I thought you were" to Avon's comment about Zen and reliability.
Both seem to indicate a dry sense of humour rather than a bubbly sort.
Susan
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 08:05:11 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
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Didn't somebody say there was a list of the costumes
on the web somewhere? Does somebody know where,
and if it has an ep-by-ep list?
Or barring that, does anybody know if *Avon* wore the
dark blue leather with all the buttons again after Killer?
Regards,
Mistral
--
"We all have something to hide, and we all have something to tell;
we all have a secret name; we all have a secret question--
one question that unlocks our heart."--Galen, 'Crusade'
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 14:41:49 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Holland
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In message <005d01beca00$0cf22880$0d01a8c0@hedge>, Una McCormack <una@q-
research.connectfree.co.uk> writes
>Can anyone give me the new URL for the Barbara Paul site? I forgot to update
>my address book, and now I've got hold of some of the books I'd like to take
>a look through it again.
>
http://www.barbarapaul.com
There's alink to the Avon/Holland page on the home page.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 12:13:38 EDT
From: SugarHIB7@aol.com
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Subject: Tarrant and his crewmates (was Re: [B7L] Servalan)
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<< In a message dated 7/10/99 6:19:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
mistral@ptinet.net writes:
<< Then again, some of us have to forgive him the sex appeal
which tends to obscure his finer qualities -- his independence,
intelligence, consistency, wit, loyalty, curiosity, and passion. >>
Just more of those irritating little flaws that we overlook and love him for
anyway. <G>
Sugar
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In a message dated 7/10/99 6:19:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
mistral@ptinet.net writes:
<< Then again, some of us have to forgive him the sex appeal
which tends to obscure his finer qualities -- his independence,
intelligence, consistency, wit, loyalty, curiosity, and passion. >>
Just more of those irritating little flaws that we overlook and love him for
anyway. <G>
Sugar
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 13:33:51 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Video cover art
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On Sun 11 Jul, AdamWho@aol.com wrote:
> Does anyone know who designed the cover art for the early 90's "BFS" B7 video
> releases, or their reasons for choosing specific images? I can't help
> wondering why they chose Cally to appear on the cover for
> "Moloch\Deathwatch", when she had little to do in these episodes, but she
> appears nowhere on the cover of volume 20, "Terminal\Deathwatch".
I believe it was partly a case of being dependent on the reference photos the
BBC had and they weren't always as extensive as one might wish or correctly
indexed. (Horizon helped them do a major sort at one point and found many were
wrong)
Judith
--
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 13:29:37 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Tarrant and Vila (was Re: [B7L] Servalan)(long)
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On Sun 11 Jul, AdamWho@aol.com wrote:
> I've seen Rescue (that was a Boucher script? not one of his better efforts),
Bear in mind that his options were limited. "We want you to do a script. Jan
Chapell won't do more than a voice-over, so you'll have to kill Cally off stage.
You can't have Liberator because we blew it up, so you'll have to get them a new
ship. You also have to make it a logical follow on to an episode that was
originally expected to be the end of the series."
Judith
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 13:11:43 EDT
From: AdamWho@aol.com
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: Tarrant and Vila (was Re: [B7L] Servalan)(long)
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In a message dated 99-07-11 13:01:01 EDT, Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk writes:
<< Bear in mind that his options were limited. "We want you to do a script.
Jan
Chapell won't do more than a voice-over, so you'll have to kill Cally off
stage.
You can't have Liberator because we blew it up, so you'll have to get them a
new
ship. You also have to make it a logical follow on to an episode that was
originally expected to be the end of the series." >>
He obviously did his best, I just don't remember cliches like scary monsters
hiding in secret basement rooms being used in his episodes before. The
"Dorian Gray" theory had some promise, but I think it was either marred by
bad pacing or over-acting.
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 13:15:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: sjk3@cornell.edu
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] The estimable Jarriere
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> I can imagine one such soured carnal affair (ahem, no pun intended) that
> made her vow: Enough! I shall not trust smart men with my intimate
> moments. I shall take for my consort on this little vacation trip to Las
> Vegas a man who is willing to please me physically but lacks the wit to
> challenge me politically. In fact he is such a zero threat that she can
> even talk to him openly about her treacherous schemes. Why not? He's
> about as dangerous / intelligent as a stuffed teddy bear.
>
> That's my 22 cents worth:
> Pat
So what about Avon's teddybear? ;-)
Sandra Kisner
sjk3@cornell.edu
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:04:46 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Re: Soolin (was Servalan)
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On Sun, Jul 11, 1999 at 12:47:17PM +0100, Susan Bennett wrote:
> Pat Patera said:
>
> <And, Soolin has a sense of humor similar to that of Avon, while Cally is
> surely the most humorless character in the entire series. Does she ever
> joke or even crack a smile?>
>
> Two that spring to mind are "The Keeper", where she tells Avon that he could
> "hardly miss at that range", and smiles at his reply, and "City" where she
> replies "but I thought you were" to Avon's comment about Zen and reliability.
> Both seem to indicate a dry sense of humour rather than a bubbly sort.
And what about the most telling one of all -- the fact that when they
all meet Cally, there on (was it Centero?), the first time Cally
cracks a smile is when *Avon* makes a funny/sarcastic remark.
I *don't* think you can persuade me that Cally doesn't appreciate
Avon's jokes.
Kathryn Andersen
A.S.K.S.
P.S. With all this talk of Soolin, I must conclude that Lindley is no
longer among us, otherwise there would have been remarks of approval
about justly appreciating the Golden Goddess Soolin.
(We're a wierd mob, aren't we? Still, I think it's better than
distributing the characters body-parts, as some fandoms do...) (-8
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 13:47:38 EDT
From: AdamWho@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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In a message dated 99-07-11 11:04:14 EDT, mistral@ptinet.net writes:
<< Didn't somebody say there was a list of the costumes
on the web somewhere? Does somebody know where,
and if it has an ep-by-ep list? >>
ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/blake7/misc/Costume_Index
Episode by episode, character by character. Blake is listed first, it
mentions each of his outfits in order, and the episodes he wore them in. List
compiled by Jean Graham, and from a few glances at the page, I'd say she did
a wonderfully thorough job.
Avon's outfit in Killer:
A7 Black leather with single line of silver studs. 14, 20.
Is this the one you're referring too? If you are, that means he wore it in
one episode besides Killer, Redemption.
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:18:14 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Costume query
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On Sun 11 Jul, mistral@ptinet.net wrote:
> Didn't somebody say there was a list of the costumes
> on the web somewhere? Does somebody know where,
> and if it has an ep-by-ep list?
It's on my site <grin> Look under 'What's What'.
When we've finished grabbing pictures for the Sevencyclopaedia, we'll start
illustrating the costume guide.
Judith
--
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 20:01:26 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Soolin (was Servalan)
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Pat wrote:
+ADw-And, Soolin has a sense of humor similar to that of Avon, while Cally is
surely the most humorless character in the entire series. Does she ever
joke or even crack a smile?+AD4-
That doesn't make her humourless, it makes her deep.
Well, deep-ish.
+ADw-Avon has what we term a +ACI-very British+ACI- sense of humor:+AD4-
Now why might that be, I wonder.
+ADw-a subtle appreciation of sarcasm and irony.+AD4-
And the recent discussions on Vila/Tarrant, to name but one of many
examples, suggest that some people haven't quite cultivated that
appreciation to a sufficient degree of subtlety.
Or am I merely getting a false impression, that if Fan of Character X sees X
being slighted by Character Y, then Fan takes it personally? Numerous rabid
defences/analyses of various characters over the years suggest that in, in
some cases, at least, s/he does.
Neil
+AD4-A friendship (or anything closer) can only develop if there is some
+AD4-shared sense of humor: otherwise there is a constant sense of annoyance
+AD4-that the other never understands your jokes.
+AD4-
+AD4-Blake understood Avon's sense of humor: many of his put downs are double
+AD4-edged as subtle jokes. Avon +ACI-gets it+ACI-
+AD4-
+AD4-Plus, Avon admires competence. It's where he can admire +ACo-something+ACo-
+AD4-about Vila. Avon is clearly not a fan of Cally's +ACI-skill+ACI- telepathy: he
+AD4-lectures her crossly: +ACI-You don't know something, you think it.+ACI- Cally
+AD4-simply has no skills that Avon admires. Soolin does. Pragmatism. And
+AD4-eyes in the back of her head.
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 19:40:15 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Cally (was Servalan)
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AdamWho wrote:
<an went beserk and tried to kill several crew members. Even if she didn't
appreciate the problems, surely she must have realized letting him out of
his
bonds was a mistake. Whether he claimed to be better or not. Her decisions
probably came more out of compassion than stupidity, but it was still a poor
decision.>
No, it was a typical piece of forced plotting from Terry Nation. Gan had to
be loose in the interests of Dramatic Tension, so El Tel picked on Cally to
be the dupe to let him go.
Neil
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 19:59:03 +-100
From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com>
To: "'B7 Lysator'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Servalan
Message-ID: <01BECBD8.0908D1E0@host212-140-36-5.btinternet.com>
Adam wrote:
>The only characters I have a permanent hatred for are the one-episode
>characters who never had a chance to improve (Sara in Mission to Destiny,
>Tyse in Bounty, and especially Provine in Countdown).
Sara and Provine I can understand, though I wouldn't say I _hate_ either of
them, but Tyce?!
Tyce is courageous, speaks her mind and takes action when she considers it
necessary even at risk to herslf. What's not to like? I wish we'd seen more
of her.
Louise
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 21:45:41 +0100
From: "David A McIntee" <master@sol.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] A B7 newsgroup
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My server has thrown up a new newsgroup - alt.fan.blakes-7
No posts there yet.
--
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alone."
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:38:58 -0500
From: "Lorna B." <msdelta@magnolia.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Tarrant and Vila (was Re: [B7L] Servalan)(long)
Message-Id: <199907112146.QAA08576@pemberton.magnolia.net>
Tiger said:
>Hmmm, I see considerable evidence for the opposite conclusion, that Vila
>liked Tarrant and trusted him a great deal. The dynamics between them are
>subtle and complex , and there's far more to them that an incident here and
>there.
I very much agree. Surprise! :-)
>In "Dawn of the Gods," Vila calls for Tarrant to come to his rescue, and
>Tarrant is the one who goes to retrieve Vila's body for proper burial.
Definitely. I didn't see anyone else jumping up to do it. I also recall
that sending Vila out there in the first place was a joint Avon-Tarrant
decision, and that our thief was very reluctant to go.
>Vila wouldn't have called for Tarrant if he didn't trust him to come.
IMO, I think he pretty much knew Tarrant wasn't the type to just leave him
out there. He may not have been over the moon in love with Tarrant, but I
think he had picked up on the fact that Tarrant was pretty loyal to his
crewmates by this time.
<some snippage of other good things>
>On the two occasions
>when Tarrant bullied Vila, the situation was critical. In "City at the
Edge
>of the World," they had to have those crystals if they wanted to have a
>functioning weaponry system. Norl had specifically asked for Vila, and
>Tarrant believed Vila could handle anything that happened down on Keezarn.
>Tarrant didn't know they were dealing with Bayban.
Yes. Would have been a much shorter series without those crystals.
And I have to wonder why Avon and Cally didn't ask for details on this plan
before Vila went down to Keezarn. Were they not let in on it? Did they
just not bother to ask about it? It's a puzzlement. But I look on City as
occurring in a shakedown period of Tarrant's trying to get used to the
Liberator crew dynamics. I agree he bullied Vila, although I think he did
it for a good reason. I'd also like to point out that Tarrant didn't bully
Vila like this again until much later in Moloch. And then they were in a
very tense situation with limited options for success. It's pretty easy for
even seasoned "people handlers" to regress to "Because I said so, dammit!"
Especially with someone as single-minded as Vila was being at that moment.
Honestly, he was like a diabetic toddler wriggling around trying to get at
an ice cream cone.
If Tarrant had been bullying Vila on a regular basis, I think we'd have seen
a lot more of it than we do.
<more snipping>
>When Tarrant pulled the gun on him, Vila had
>mutinied in the middle of a mission. That was stupid. I find it
interesting
>that Vila wasn't frightened, only hurt and disappointed. And he was happy
>enough to go along with Tarrant once he found out what his new pal Doran
was
>really like.
I have to wonder if Vila hadn't begun to rethink his options here and
decided he was better off on Liberator after all. The group of hardened
thugs on Sardos were a pretty scary bunch, I'm betting. Especially after
he'd been around them for awhile. Vila may have gotten used to not having
to deal with those types on an everyday basis. Or maybe he even started
feeling a bit guilty about having ducked out in the middle of the mission.
I noticed at one point he was surreptitiously trying to readjust his
teleport bracelet. Fun speculation!
>Tarrant and Vila did get on each other's nerves. Vila doesn't like being
>made to work, and Tarrant gets annoyed with Vila's laziness and habit of
>getting drunk or sleeping on duty, but I don't think they disliked each
>other; they are too comfortable in each other's presence for that.
More agreement. I doubt they were best friends or exchanging promise rings
(well, unless I'm writing slash, that is), but I certainly didn't see the
enmity in this relationship that some seem absolutely certain exists.
>In "Rescue," Vila cared enough about Tarrant to save his life. I don't
think
>he'd have done that for someone he disliked and distrusted.
In succeeding posts, I've seen it argued that Tarrant was just closer to the
entrance and easier for Vila to rescue. Obviously my sets of tapes are
missing a vital scene and I should see about getting my money back on the
professional ones. IOW, I suppose it's possible, but I think Tiger's theory
above is just as valid and is based as much on fact as anyone else's.
<more snipping>
>"Headhunter" and "Games." In
>both of these, Tarrant and Vila seem quite at ease with each other, to the
>point where Vila will tease Tarrant about hard work in "Headhunter" and
grab
>his foot to dust it off in "Games." I don't think he'd have done either of
>these things if he'd disliked and feared Tarrant. Finally, in "Blake,"
Vila
>risks Avon's anger by asking about Tarrant several times.
Yes, these are things that you generally don't really do unless you feel at
least somewhat at ease with a person. In "Blake," I found Vila's asking
about Tarrant very telling. Yes, "Orbit" was definitely on his mind in that
scene, but if he hated Tarrant, I doubt he'd have kept asking when not
receiving an answer to his first query. All IMO, of course.
Lorna B.
"Cookies and porn? You're the best mom ever!"
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 22:41:26 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] A B7 newsgroup
Message-ID: <E2dWVMAG+Qi3Ew3C@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <199907112047.VAA24848@gnasher.sol.co.uk>, David A McIntee
<master@sol.co.uk> writes
>
>My server has thrown up a new newsgroup - alt.fan.blakes-7
>
>No posts there yet.
>
Doesn't seem to be there on Demon yet. Any more details, so that I can
email Demon's newsmaster and plead?
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 14:42:36 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Costume query
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Adamwho qrote:
<Avon's outfit in Killer:
A7 Black leather with single line of silver studs. 14, 20.
Is this the one you're referring too? If you are, that means he wore it in
one episode besides Killer, Redemption.>
That he did...
But didn't *Tarrant* swipe it? At least I think I saw it on him in - um -
Traitor...(please note - we will not now start a fight on who looked better
in it.)
Sally
>
>
>
>
>
>
(Avon did, of course.)
>
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 17:41:47 EDT
From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Re: Soolin (was Servalan)
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In a message dated 7/11/99 4:44:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, susanb@iol.ie
writes:
> Two that spring to mind are "The Keeper", where she tells Avon that he
could
> "hardly miss at that range", and smiles at his reply, and "City" where she
> replies "but I thought you were" to Avon's comment about Zen and
reliability.
> Both seem to indicate a dry sense of humour rather than a bubbly sort.
There's also that bit in "Death-Watch," where Vila asks about why staying
aboard the Liberator would be realxing and Cally tells him it's because he
won't be, and he playfully chases her off the flight deck.
Tiger M
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:52:02 -0500
From: "Lorna B." <msdelta@magnolia.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Costume query
Message-Id: <199907112159.QAA09609@pemberton.magnolia.net>
>But didn't *Tarrant* swipe it? At least I think I saw it on him in - um -
>Traitor...
All the old Doctor Who costumes were probably at the cleaners.
>(please note - we will not now start a fight on who looked better
>in it.)
I thought both of them looked like dogs in it, to be honest. It wasn't
flattering to either man's body type.
Lorna B.
"Cookies and porn? You're the best mom ever!"
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 23:00:37 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.jones@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] A B7 newsgroup
Message-ID: <tHNMZQAFQRi3Ewhm@jajones.demon.co.uk>
In message <199907112047.VAA24848@gnasher.sol.co.uk>, David A McIntee
<master@sol.co.uk> writes
>
>My server has thrown up a new newsgroup - alt.fan.blakes-7
>
>No posts there yet.
>
Further info - I just went hunting on Deja, and found the following
control message, plus a couple of posts, one by someone whinging about
lack of other people. I've emalied Dave the Newsmaister, so hapefully I
at least will not have to resort to Deja...
Subject: [Booster] cmsg newgroup alt.fan.blakes-7
Date: 1999/07/11
Author: dball <dball@mid-ga.com>
Posting History
hFor your newsgroups file:
alt.fan.blakes-7 for discussion of the British TV show Blakes-7
***BOOSTER***
This group has been around for years, but has lousy propogation so I'm
sending out a booster. I don't know who originally created the group.
There is some traffic in the group, but it seems to be in little islands
since most of usenet doesn't carry the group.
-- David Ball
dball@mid-ga.com
dball@calweb.com
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:24:37 EDT
From: SugarHIB7@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Costume query
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In a message dated 7/11/99 2:56:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
msdelta@magnolia.net writes:
<<re: Avon's outfit in Killer: Black leather with single line of silver
studs.
<< I thought both of them looked like dogs in it, to be honest. It wasn't
flattering to either man's body type. >>
Agreed. I couldn't stand either of them in it. My main objection to it is
that it didn't fit the "image" of either man. I honestly couldn't see that
as something either of them would pick out to wear. Though I'm still
confused as to how Tarrant wound up in it after he had teleported down.
Sugar
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 18:36:20 EDT
From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Costume query
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In a message dated 7/11/99 3:28:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
SugarHIB7@aol.com writes:
> Agreed. I couldn't stand either of them in it. My main objection to it is
> that it didn't fit the "image" of either man. I honestly couldn't see
that
> as something either of them would pick out to wear. Though I'm still
> confused as to how Tarrant wound up in it after he had teleported down
He and Dayna swiped clothing from a couple of natives when they needed to
disguise themselves to blend in on Helotrix. Avon on the other hand, must
have chosen it himself out of the Liberator's infinite closet.
Ohter recycled costumes in this episode included Vinni's quilted brown and
white outfit from Death-Watch (Dayna wore that in Traitor), and the rebel in
the scene at the beginning (the one that got blown up) was wearing Max's
outfit, also from Death-Watch.
Tiger M
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 15:59:38 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Lyst wars (Re: [B7L] Re: Soolin (was Servalan))
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Neil Faulkner wrote:
> +ADw-a subtle appreciation of sarcasm and irony.+AD4-
>
> And the recent discussions on Vila/Tarrant, to name but one of many
> examples, suggest that some people haven't quite cultivated that
> appreciation to a sufficient degree of subtlety.
>
> Or am I merely getting a false impression, that if Fan of Character X sees X
> being slighted by Character Y, then Fan takes it personally? Numerous rabid
> defences/analyses of various characters over the years suggest that in, in
> some cases, at least, s/he does.
Erm...
[Insert offensive phrase of choice here.]
Yes, I'd say you're getting a false impression. As Una's Q-study
indicated, there are lots of different ways to approach B-7. What's
going on in the characters' heads and how they relate to each
other is one of them, as I'm sure you know.
It would be rather silly to think that Liberator/Scorpio crew all felt
warm and fuzzy about each other, all of the time. Vila-Tarrant
certainly strikes me as one of the less fuzzy ones. Everybody in the
group, except possibly Jenna, was rude or nasty to Vila at some
point. Tarrant is the only one where I see any evidence of it being
something that affected the relationship negatively in the long term.
That's not taking it personally, that's character analysis.
As for rabidly defending one's position, well, on this list, sometimes
that's the only way to get a good discussion going. Lystians are, as
a general rule, not in the habit of jumping in with 'oh, I agree, and
have you noticed...'; and frankly I'll defend my position on character
relationships quite passionately; I don't mind changing my mind, but
as I've put a lot of thought into how I see the characters (as I'm sure
most Lystians have), I want to be convinced on something I see as
logical. In fact, I *really* *really* like it when somebody throws out
a new insight that I've never seen before -- whether I wind up
incorporating it into personal canon or not. New ideas are frequently
forged in the crucible of debate.
If you want to trash my opinions, Neil, feel free, and I'll probably
enjoy it. But I'll pass on apologizing for having one. <wink>
Just IMHO,
Mistral
--
"We all have something to hide, and we all have something to tell;
we all have a secret name; we all have a secret question--
one question that unlocks our heart."--Galen, 'Crusade'
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 16:45:23 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Costume query
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Judith Proctor wrote:
> On Sun 11 Jul, mistral@ptinet.net wrote:
> > Didn't somebody say there was a list of the costumes
> > on the web somewhere? Does somebody know where,
> > and if it has an ep-by-ep list?
>
> It's on my site <grin> Look under 'What's What'.
Oh! Thought it was on Sue Clerc's site, didn't find it there,
gave up. Stupid Mistral. Thanks, Judith.
AdamWho@aol.com wrote:
> Avon's outfit in Killer:
>
> A7 Black leather with single line of silver studs. 14, 20.
>
> Is this the one you're referring too? If you are, that means he wore it in
> one episode besides Killer, Redemption.
Yes, that's the one. Perfect! Thanks, Adam. Although, I
believe I've been told that it's actually very dark blue; and
in Redemption, where Avon's lecturing Blake about probability,
it definitely has a bluish cast when the light hits it in certain ways.
Next question: I know some of you have seen it in person; is
it blue? and are they studs or buttons?
Thanks...
Mistral
--
"We all have something to hide, and we all have something to tell;
we all have a secret name; we all have a secret question--
one question that unlocks our heart."--Galen, 'Crusade'
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Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 17:05:11 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Re: Soolin (was Servalan)
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Kathryn Andersen wrote:
> (We're a wierd mob, aren't we? Still, I think it's better than
> distributing the characters body-parts, as some fandoms do...) (-8
Okay, I'll bite. What the heck is this about?
???
Mistral
--
"We all have something to hide, and we all have something to tell;
we all have a secret name; we all have a secret question--
one question that unlocks our heart."--Galen, 'Crusade'
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