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blakes7-d Digest				Volume 99 : Issue 186

Today's Topics:
	 [B7L] Star Cops (was Re: What if. . . ? A non-canonic thought about
  the crew)
	 Re: [B7L] Mutoid query
	 Re: [B7L] BlakePark by Alison Now Online!
	 Re: [B7L] Brave New Worlds
	 [B7L] Re: Jenna the Vampire Slayer
	 Re: [B7L] Brave New Worlds
	 [B7L] Re: Blake & Government...
	 Re: [B7L] Brave New Worlds
	 [B7L] Additions to zine lists
	 Re: [B7L] Zen query
	 [B7L] Fridge magnet
	 Re: [B7L] Mutoid query
	 Re: [B7L] Mutoid query
	 [B7L] Re: Wristwatches
	 Re: [B7L] Additions to zine lists
	 Re: [B7L] Re: Blake & Government...
	 Re: [B7L] Brave New Worlds
	 Re: [B7L] Mutoid query
	 [B7L] Zen Query
	 Re: [B7L] Star Cops
	 Re: [B7L] Brave New Worlds
	 [B7L] Zine rescue; new zine

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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 17:40:05 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Star Cops (was Re: What if. . . ? A non-canonic thought about
  the crew)
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Judith wrote:
>Kenzie has a lot in common with Avon in spite of being female 

Yes, when I first saw her I thought "Jenna, allowed to stay that way". 
Then, a few episodes later, I thought "no, hang on, she's Avon turned into
a rather talkative blonde!"  Cast a new light on her relations with
Spring...

>and Box *is* Orac.

A bit polite for Orac, surely?  I do love the bit with the pool table.

>The good news is that Chris says I can publish his second Star Cops novel

HURRAH!!!!!!!!!!!

And then can we talk him into writing the Lost Four Episodes?

Harriet

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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:32:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: J MacQueen <jomacqueen@yahoo.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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--- Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au> wrote:
> Yes, mutoids can survive on human
> blood, but maybe the "serum" is required for them to
> work at top efficiency.

That would make sense to me. Change "human" to "any"
blood, and you remember that, in Duel, the Keira
mutoid was able to function for a short while on the
blood of the creatures she'd trapped, but they weren't
good enough (hence her getting a bit hasty about
extracting Jenna's blood later on). Something must be
mixed with it (and I don't mean only to achieve the
interesting colour <grin>) - I don't know, added
marrowbone, mineral oil for the cyborgy bits, Vitamin
D for the sunlight they weren't getting (well, maybe
that's taking the comparison to vampires a little too
far)...

> 5) They were designed by a sadist, (see (2)) and
> Federation beaurocracy is so full of inertia, that  
> they never changed the design.

The Federation bureaucracy is probably full of
potential sadists. Maybe they loved the design.
Especially if it could act as the bogeyman against
rebellious elements.

Regards
Joanne



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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:35:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: J MacQueen <jomacqueen@yahoo.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] BlakePark by Alison Now Online!
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--- Penny Dreadful <egomoo@mail.geocities.com> wrote:
> "Oh My God, He Killed Blake!" the latest envelope- 
> pushing artistic triumph by Alison Page, 

<much laughter> I'm forwarding that one to my brother.
He'll love it, seeing as he likes both programmes.
Well done, Alison, and yes, li'l Avon is too precious
for words in the cartoon. Congratulations are in order
for li'l Soolin and li'l Vila as well.

Regards
Joanne

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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 15:39:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: J MacQueen <jomacqueen@yahoo.com>
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--- Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se> wrote:
> (I'm fairly sure this is from Machiavelli, but for
> some reason I never read _The Prince_)

Woooh, <grin> sounds like you don't need to, Calle.
Should we be afraid? <bigger grin>

Regards
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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 23:42:54 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@mcr1.poptel.org.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Jenna the Vampire Slayer
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KMWilcox wrote: "If someone wants, I suppose I could dust off that
"Jenna the
Vampire Slayer" thing I started last year and actually finish it."

yes please
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson

"What is it with you and holes?"
Xena to Gabrielle, Paradise Found

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Date: Tue, 08 Jun 1999 17:42:41 -0600
From: Arkaroo <woollard@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
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Rob Clother <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Blake?  Lenin?  Er, I might let you get away with comparing Travis to Lenin,
>but Blake?  No way.  For a start, Blake had a genuine belief in the idea of 


Even though the Lenin/Blake analogy doesn't quite work, I still think
there can be some interesting (though wildly inaccurate) comparisons.
Let's think... dum-de-dum... <sounds of search for HIST110 textbook>
Ah-hah! <flip, flip> Here we go:

1) Tarrant -> Trotsky [disciplinarian when in charge of the army, and
later becomes advocate of internal criticism, eventually turfed by the
party and forced to go solo]
2) Travis -> Stalin [relatively uneducated, willingness to kill
wholesale for the cause]
3) Servalan -> Lenin [clever, pragmatic, leadership qualities up the
wazoo, snappy dresser, motivational speaker]

If we accept these analogies then, of course, there's only once person
that Blake could be, as an opponent of Travis/Stalin and Servalan/Lenin.
4) Blake -> Benito Mussolini! I mean, the leather suits, the fanatic
followers... Aiiiee! Although, really, he always struck me as a more
bloodthirsty Lech Walesa.

I can imagine the Fan-Fic now [ala Mao Tse-Tung]:

"Death to The Seven Traitors!" cried Travis. "Let the Glorious Cherry
Blossoms of the Eternal Federation eliminate those Despised Enemies of
the People!"

Arkaroo "The People's Poet" Fleabane

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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 21:34:55 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Gary wrote:
>I see Blake keeping power more in a winston Churchill-ian way. 
>He would have taken charge only to make sure that things went
> the right way. Once he knew that they couldn't become as ruthless
>as the current regime, he would probably get out.

I can see all of this, except the connection with Churchill, who is
generally thought to have clung on to the role of prime minister too long
when retiring earlier would have done his reputation a lot more good...

Then Una went on to ask:
>Why GP and not anywhere else?

Presumably some reason connected with its Open Planet status and the lack
of Federation troops, though the blockade would seem to be a bit of a
nuisance.  It would be very interesting to know what Blake was planning to
do about the return to Federation membership - leave, or continue to work
underground?  Somehow exploit the change of status?  Assassinate the
inspectors who came to check that law had been restored?  Secretly run the
new government through his agents and thus gain access to some Federation
resource or other?  Could it even have been his idea to make the
application, which unfortunately backfired?

Harriet

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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 07:17:18 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Brave New Worlds
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On Sat, May 15, 1999 at 10:30:50PM -0600, Ellynne G. wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 8 Jun 1999 18:07:06 +0100 "Una McCormack"
> <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk> writes:
> >
> >Would Blake have installed someone to do these sorts of things for 
> >him, and
> >turn a blind eye at their activities?
> >
> As in "Yoo-hoo, Avon, I've got a little job for you."? OK, Avon doesn't
> go for mass slaughter (although I've always wondered if he didn't do a
> little strategic destruction on Chenga after hearing what they meant to
> do to Cally and Vila [what's the point of having the most powerful ship
> in the galaxy if you don't blow things up from time to time? Besides, he
> wanted to impress the new crew]).  Maybe he'd get Dayna.

Or Soolin?
If he wanted to use Dayna, he'd appeal to her bloodthirsty idealism.
If he wanted to use Soolin, he'd cite cold practicality - which
somehow I can't see him doing.  Or are you saying that *Avon* would
delegate to Dayna?

I can't see Blake instigating such things, but I can see Avon being
ruthless enough to do such things over Blake's half-hearted protests.

Kat Avonsen
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Date: Wed,  9 Jun 99 04:04:00 GMT 
From: s.thompson8@genie.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: space-city@world.std.com
Subject: [B7L] Additions to zine lists
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For those of you who are maintaining your own copies of the B7 zine
 lists, here are some things to add.  Some are new zines that
 debuted at MediaWest, but that I didn't know for certain would be
 there when I posted the full lists (including my own!).  Others are
 older zines that I've only just discovered.

One mysterious item is the following; I recently found an old
 review of it but have never actually seen the zine.

PRIME ATTACK (by Mark Lang; AU? 1985?  possibly part of BLAKE'S
      QUEST?)

Any information about this or other mystery zines (DOUBLE LINE,
 ROOM TO BREATHE, etc.) will be greatly appreciated!


Additions to zine lists:


A.  All-B7 fiction and poetry gen zines

AVON #17:  Full Circle (story by Penny Kjelgaard; UK, 1999)
 ORAC'S MESSAGE/A KNIGHTLY MEMORY (two stories by Julie Talbott;
      UK?, 1992)
 SHADOWS & SURVIVORS (story by Julie Talbott; UK?, 1992; also in
      AVON #3)
 XENON #6 (AU, 1988.10) (does anyone know whether there were still
      more issues of this zine?)


B.  Multimedia fiction and poetry gen zines with B7 material

ANYTHING GOES #3 (B7 poetry only; US, 1994.4)
 PEERS OF THE REALM (US, 1990.7)


C.  Nonfiction

A GUIDE TO BLAKE'S 7 EROTICA, Vol. 2 (bibliography, compiled by S.
      E. Thompson; US, 1999.5)


D.  All-B7 slash and adult zines

FIRE AND ICE #5 (slash, all A/B; US, 1999.5)

[I had already listed the two new issues of SOUTHERN COMFORT once
 Annie announced that they would definitely be available at the
 con.]


E.  Multimedia slash and adult zines with B7 material

DIVERSE DOINGS #4 (slash; US, 1999.5)
 THIS HAPPY BREED OF MEN-- THIS ENGLAND (slash; US, 1998)

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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:03:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Peter Borg <peter_borg@yahoo.com>
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zen query
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mistral@ptinet.net wrote:
> If Zen is a 'capacity-charged brain' (Harvest), does
> that
> imply an organic component? Thoughts, anyone?

As per Kathryn's reply, this statement doesn't
necessarily suggest organic technology is present.
However, there's Avon's comment (can't recall the ep.
probably Cygnus Alpha) that the technology has an
organic feel.

I'd always assumed there was some organic component.
There is evidence to suggest that this kind of
technology was possible (Ultraworld) in the B7 galaxy,
and given the nature of the Spaceworld occupants' link
to their systems, it seems reasonable to assume that
there is something organic about the whole thing.

Being slightly real-world about it, computers that
learn are difficult to make, and true artificial
intelligence is unlikely to exist through technology
in it's current form. Organic technology, where the
'brain' can effectively change itself (i.e.
reconfigure it's internal connections, effectively
"learning") I think is the most likely path to AI,
however, at that point, is it artificial? In fact,
would intelligence be artificial just because it's
based on silicon-type technology?

I digress.... basically, I think Zen did have some
organic components, and I think there's enough
(allbeit very little) in the show to make this a
viable suggestion.

Peter.
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 22:16:45 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Space City <Space-city@world.std.com>
Subject: [B7L] Fridge magnet
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I've made a few copies of my favourite Redemption photo into fridge magnets.

If anyone wants a photo of Brian Croucher with his arm around the shoulders of
our Gareth standee (who looks as if he's looking right back at Brian), then seek
no further.

Unless you knew it was a standee, you probably wouldn't guess from this photo. 
Gareth looks incredibly lifelike (probably because we dressed him in real
clothes).  He is of course holding a realistic replica of a pint. <grin>

Cost is 1.75 pounds per magnet in the UK.  1.85 pounds Europe.  2.20 rest of the
world.  

Judith
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Date: Tue, 8 Jun 1999 19:02:28 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Mutoid query
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On Tue 08 Jun, Kathryn Andersen wrote:
> 
> I always assumed that they'd cyborged out the digestive system, so
> they had to get their nutrient pre-digested, so to speak.  Oh, I guess
> that wasn't the question you were asking, the question was, why do
> that in the first place?  Hmmm.
> 
> What about...
> 1) It was still considered more efficient, because Mutoids didn't need
>    their serum as often as humans needed to eat.  We don't actually
>    know how long they were on the planet, how long Travis's mutoid had
>    been without serum.

Serum could perhaps be an effective option of storing food.  I've just survived
a week of intensive biology coaching Kelvin for an exam.  Digested food travels
around the body in blood serum so this predigested form might be less bulky to
transport, more quickly absorbed by the body and comes with free antibodies to
boot.  (just like a glucose drip in some ways, but with a few added extras)

> 2) It was used as a terror weapon.  "Behave, or the mutoids will suck
>    your blood."

Well, it's certainly believable.

> 3) It was a means of further control over mutoids, so that enemies
>    couldn't steal them, reprogram them, and turn them against the
>    Federation.  Yes, mutoids can survive on human blood, but maybe the
>    "serum" is required for them to work at top efficiency.

Human blood (if taken from an artery not a vein) will carry the added bonus of
red blood cells carrying oxyhaemoglobin.  I believe athletes sometimes store
ther red blood cells and re-inject them, to give themselves an oxygen boot
before a race.

> 4) Or, from the opposite extreme, they *were* designed to feed on human
>    blood (see (2)) - in particular, the blood of enemy soldiers, in
>    hostile territory, where the only supplies that were plentiful was
>    enemies.

Well, it would aid the suppy problem, but then so would canibalism for normal
soldiers.  Plus, there are risks of disease etc.  I wonder if mutoids get AIDS?


> 5) They were designed by a sadist, (see (2)) and Federation
>    beaurocracy is so full of inertia, that they never changed the design.

Nah.  Don't go for that one.

> 6) A deterrent.  Since one of the sources of mutoids is
>    disobedient slaves, it was considered, that as part of the
>    deterrent (of the threat of being made a mutoid) it should be
>    obvious that once someone is made a mutoid, there is absolutely no
>    hope of being restored to humanity.

While it's a possibility, I don't go for it wholeheartedly.  I don't see it as a
reason for creating mutoids originally.  However, that does not stop it being
used as a punishment as you have to have people to turn into mutoids.

> 
> It could well be that (1) is the official reason, but the other
> reasons were also factors.

I'd go for a combination of 1 and 3 and a little bit of 4.  I'd also assume that
they could feed on a glucose drip for a few days if serum was unavailable.

Judith
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 04:05:04 EDT
From: AdamWho@aol.com
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In a message dated 99-06-08 06:40:18 EDT, mistral@ptinet.net writes:

<< What might be the point of modifying mutoids to utilize blood
 serum? On the face of it, it seems to me it would be a weakness,
 rather than an improvement. >>

A cheap and easy food supply. The Federation seems to have no qualms killing 
people, and instead of providing meals, they can let the mutoids drink blood. 
Maybe there are food shortages in the future, and mutoids were introduced 
because they didn't have to eat regular food. 

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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 09:53:54 +0100
From: Murray Smith <mjsmith@tcd.ie>
To: Lysator <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Wristwatches
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	I'm doing some entries for the 'Sevencyclopedia', one of them being
'WRISTWATCHES', and wonder if any of you can help me. While Blake, Varon,
and Ravella are obviously wearing watches on their wrists in 'The Way
Back', I'm not sure if Maja is wearing one or just a bracelet. What do
people think?

									Murray

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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 20:32:06 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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On Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 04:04:00AM +0000, s.thompson8@genie.com wrote:
> One mysterious item is the following; I recently found an old
>  review of it but have never actually seen the zine.
> 
> PRIME ATTACK (by Mark Lang; AU? 1985?  possibly part of BLAKE'S
>       QUEST?)

Ah yes.  Prime Attack.  Would have been improved by the use of a
dictionary on the author's part.  Actually, now that I think about it,
maybe not.  After all, the startling misuse of three words in
particular(*) made sure that I never forgot the zine, wheras if he *had*
used a dictionary, then it would simply have been lost in mediocrity.

This was a one-story standalone zine, a PGP.  Yes, it is Australian.
I think it was produced by Rosie Peck of South Australia, but I'm not
sure.  Rosie Peck was the editor of Xenon.  And no, I don't know if
there were further issues of Xenon after #6.

(*) The phrases that burned into my memory were:
- "in a strategically walkable manner"
- "a dual triumvirate"
- and the use of the word "decapitated" to refer to something
*other* than a head.
That, plus remaking the Blake's 7 universe over into something that
had the tone of Star Wars, made this even worse than "Aftermath".

What gets me is that some people actually loved it.

Kathryn "scathing review" Andersen
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 12:32:01 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Blake & Government...
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Harriet wrote:

> Gary wrote:
> >I see Blake keeping power more in a winston Churchill-ian way.
> >He would have taken charge only to make sure that things went
> > the right way. Once he knew that they couldn't become as ruthless
> >as the current regime, he would probably get out.
>
> I can see all of this, except the connection with Churchill, who is
> generally thought to have clung on to the role of prime minister too long
> when retiring earlier would have done his reputation a lot more good...

And would have made Eden less mad by the time Suez came around. It's exactly
like that advert for olive oil, 'One day, my son, all this will be yours...'



> Then Una went on to ask:
> >Why GP and not anywhere else?
>
> Presumably some reason connected with its Open Planet status and the lack
> of Federation troops, though the blockade would seem to be a bit of a
> nuisance.  It would be very interesting to know what Blake was planning to
> do about the return to Federation membership - leave, or continue to work
> underground?  Somehow exploit the change of status?  Assassinate the
> inspectors who came to check that law had been restored?  Secretly run the
> new government through his agents and thus gain access to some Federation
> resource or other?  Could it even have been his idea to make the
> application, which unfortunately backfired?

What I hadn't thought of is that, of course, since Blake is believed dead
(assuming Servalan made her testimony of what she saw on Jevron generally
available) GP would have the benefit of being off the beaten track and thus
maintaining the fiction that he's dead.

But it's hardly the beating heart of the Federation, is it...? I always saw
Blake as pretty focused on what would happen on Earth. But perhaps he was
just starting small - as Jenni so cogently argued in another post, needs
must when the devil vomits.

Una

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Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 04:55:12 PDT
From: Rob Clother <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Brave New Worlds
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Penny and Una agreeing on a point:


>>What compromises would he have made in order to secure power?
>>How far would power have corrupted him?
>>
>>Those two are basically the same question --
>
>You're quite right.


Are they the same question, though?  My first reaction when I read this was 
that compromise and corruption are not the same thing.  Then I read Penny's 
post again and realised she was referring to compromises *in order to secure 
power*.  Even then, I wouldn't necessarily equate that to corruption.

How about Augustus Caesar as a possible counterexample?

-- Rob



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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 05:45:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Peter Borg <peter_borg@yahoo.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Mutoid query
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In a message dated 99-06-08 06:40:18 EDT,
mistral@ptinet.net writes:
 
<< What might be the point of modifying mutoids to
utilize blood serum? On the face of it, it seems to me
it would be a weakness, rather than an improvement. >>

Taking a leaf out of the DS9 book of thinking, it
could be a control thing, like the Dominion/Jem
Hadar(SP?)

The serum can only be produced by the Federation, and
cannot be duplicated, although the Fed have one up on
the Founders, as Mutoids can survive on human blood
for a while in emergencies whereas JemHadar(sp?)
always need their drug (I think referred to as the
white?)

Peter.
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 19:00:20 +0100
From: "Deborah Day" <d.day@ukgateway.net>
To: "blakes7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Zen Query
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Re Mistral's thoughts on Zen being organic - I had always assumed that =
there was an organic component, perhaps similar to the setup in =
Jabberwocky.  This was especially evident in the early series, before =
Orac came along, when Zen flatly refused to cooperate at vital times, =
either in the crews interests, or its own in preserving the ship.  Also, =
in Terminal when Zen died, it referred to itself as I for the first and =
last time.  I haven't watched this episode for ages, but I think whoever =
was on the flight desk remarked on that.  Also, the auto repair thing =
seemed to have organic overtones.  I got the feeling that Zen rather =
resented Orac being on board, especially as Orac could override Zen =
easily!  Certainly in the first series there was a definite feeling that =
Zen was working to his own agenda, or even might have had some external =
contral, as in the first episode of the second series.  Perhaps there =
was a background link to the System which Orac destroyed.  Who knows.

Debbie.

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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 18:22:37 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Star Cops
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On Tue 08 Jun, Harriet Monkhouse wrote:
> Judith wrote:
> >Kenzie has a lot in common with Avon in spite of being female 
> 
> Yes, when I first saw her I thought "Jenna, allowed to stay that way". 
> Then, a few episodes later, I thought "no, hang on, she's Avon turned into
> a rather talkative blonde!"  Cast a new light on her relations with
> Spring...

I found that a really fascinating relationship, developing from total
dislike/mistrust to mutual professional respect to the beginnings of something
more.
 
> >The good news is that Chris says I can publish his second Star Cops novel
> 
> HURRAH!!!!!!!!!!!

I got the disc from him this morning.  The episodes are Conversations 'With the
Dead', 'Intelligent Listening for Beginners', 'Travial Games and Paranoid
Pursuits', and 'Little Green Men and Other Martians'.

It's probably be a couple of months before I can get everything done, but that's
what you have to look forwards to.

If anyone has any good Star Cops photos that I can use for reference material
for artists, please get in touch.
> 
> And then can we talk him into writing the Lost Four Episodes?

Que? 

Judith

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Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 13:46:52 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <egomoo@mail.geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Brave New Worlds
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At 05:42 PM 6/8/99 -0600, Arkaroo wrote:

>1) Tarrant -> Trotsky [disciplinarian when in charge of the army, and
>later becomes advocate of internal criticism, eventually turfed by the
>party and forced to go solo]

And comes to a sticky end.

>2) Travis -> Stalin [relatively uneducated, willingness to kill
>wholesale for the cause]

A snappier dresser, though.

>3) Servalan -> Lenin [clever, pragmatic, leadership qualities up the
>wazoo, snappy dresser, motivational speaker]

Can't dispute any of that.

>4) Blake -> Benito Mussolini!

So, does that make Avon Hitler?

>"Death to The Seven Traitors!" cried Travis. "Let the Glorious Cherry
>Blossoms of the Eternal Federation eliminate those Despised Enemies of
>the People!"

I'm getting right inspired, Comrade! Okay, People's Poet, I wanna see ten
thousand words by next week: the entire 20th century rewritten as a single
Blakes 7 episode.

--Penny "The People" Dreadful

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Date: Wed,  9 Jun 99 23:35:00 GMT 
From: s.thompson8@genie.com
To: space-city@world.std.com
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Zine rescue; new zine
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Two announcements based on flyers I picked up at MediaWest:

A)  Many of the fanzines that were in the custody of Peg Kennedy (former
zine agent who went bankrupt) have now been recovered, and will be returned
to their owners for the cost of shipping alone.  These include zines from B7
and many other fandoms.  For details, see the web page of Operation Zine
Rescue at:  http://www.fanzines.com  (which also has interesting information
on fanzines in general, and ads and reviews for new and used zines), or e-
mail:  rescue@fanzines.com  .

B)  New gen zine (suitable for all ages) seeking submissions:
 Half-Blaked, editor Angela Reese.  Stories, poems, filks, and art are wanted.
 Website:  http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shire/1963/
 e-mail:  areese@earthling.net

Hope some list members will send Angela material.

Also, remember K. Rae Travers is interested in gen material for the next
issue of her long-running zine =The Seven Live On=.  And although Annie
hasn't made any announcements yet, I know that there is more of Hellhound in
the works, and I'm hoping that maybe by this time next year there will be
enough gen submissions for a new issue of =Southern Seven=.

Neil, hope you are getting plenty of material for your new zine.

Sarah T.

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