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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 74
Today's Topics:
[B7L] baldness
Re: [B7L] Liberator model
[B7L] Machiavelli (was Vila's accepting ways)
Re: [B7L] re: `Allo, `Allo, zis is Avon calling London
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V98 #73
[B7L] Depression and Myers-Briggs
[B7L] B7 costumes still going for a song
Re: [B7L] Depression and Myers-Briggs
Re: [B7L] Depression and Myers-Briggs
[B7L] Missing protagonists - and the truth about Avon
Re: [B7L] Depression and Myers-Briggs
[B7L] IQ tests
[B7L] depression
[B7L] Hail Servalan
[B7L] Digest V98 #72
[B7L] IQ and dominance/submission
Re: [B7L] IQ and dominance/submission
Re: [B7L] IQ tests
Re: [B7L] Avon/Blackadder
Re: [B7L] re: Orbit
Re: [B7L] Dayna and "Bonding Ritual"
[B7L] re: Orbit
[B7L] Enneagrams and Kingdomality
Re: [B7L] Dayna and "Bonding Ritual"
[B7L] RE: unsubscribe
[B7L] Winning is the Only Safety
[B7L] Smoking
Re: [B7L] IQ and dominance/submission
Re: [B7L] re: Orbit
[B7L] Looking for Video Tapes
[B7L] Radio play
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Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 18:15:10 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] baldness
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On Tue 03 Mar, Alison Page wrote:
> > Nicola Collie wrote:
> > > Note that he has a full head of hair at this stage. IIRC, male pattern
> > > baldness is linked to testosterone levels.
> > > Hang on, I don't like where this is going! Avon less than a man? Say it
> > > ain't so! ;-)
> > > ttfn, Nicola
>
> Jackie said
>
> > Are you trying to say that Baldies cannot be Daddies? Balderdash! of
> > course they can!!
>
> No, Nicola is saying the exact opposite. The idea is that men with lots of
> testosterone lose their hair once they pass a certain age. Thus Avon, with
> a good head of hair, must be deficient in the .. hem, hem, gentleman's
> department.
Actually, if you look carefully Paul Darrow has had a small bald patch for a
long time. It's just that fans have a tacit agreement that it is a figment of
our collective imagination.
Judith
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Date: 04 Mar 1998 08:45:15 +0100
From: Calle Dybedahl <qdtcall@esavionics.se>
To: "Lucas Young" <lyoung@bitworks.co.nz>
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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 19:55:50 +1000
From: Tim Richards & Narrelle Harris <parallax@wire.net.au>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Machiavelli (was Vila's accepting ways)
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>Narrelle said:
>>Avon's stalking of Vila was supremely machiavellian
Harriet replied:
>It wasn't remotely machiavellian! If Niccolo M had been on board, he would
>have advised him on how to do it a damn sight more effectively.
But I thought the basic tenet of Machiavelli was 'the end justifies the
means'. ( I have never read The Prince and perhaps have entirely missed the
point). Avon's actions fit that, to me. He was determined to survive no
matter the cost to others. He would kill Vila if he had to, if it meant he
would live.
Narrelle
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"Look, he's winding up the watch of his wit;
by and by it will strike." - Shakespeare
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:37:17 -0000
From: Alison Page <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] re: `Allo, `Allo, zis is Avon calling London
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> Ophelia wrote:
> > I'm sorry. My allegiance has wavered from
> > Avon as my favourite stud in black leather.
> > It's been taken by Herr Otto Flick.
> > He doesn't just have the black leather, he
> > has the little hexagonal glasses and, to
> > add the final delicious sado-masochistic
> > touch, the clipped German accent. And
> > Avon has only a silly-looking spaceship,
> > while Herr Flick has a big black Gestapo
> > car and a very big knockwurst.
I've got to say this whole post was absolutely hilarious. I don't think
I've watched 'allo 'allo right through even once, so I only have a hazy
idea of the characters, but I get the drift.
> > The most tasteless part of 'Allo 'Allo was making
> > interogation by the Gestapo seem incredibly erotic.
You are a very naughty girl
Alison
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:41:03 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Patti said:
>By the way, Una, isn't it fun being a B7 fan? There's an
>Avon's Tax Service not far from here, and in Berkeley, a place
>called Blakes, where all the hot rock groups play. Oh, and I
>mustn't forget "Jenna's Hair," which is near my house. It's all
>I can do not to go in there to find out whether the owner's name
>is Jenna, or she's just a fan.
They're just great!! You've got to go in!
Una
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:05:25 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Depression and Myers-Briggs
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Helen wrote:
>There are plenty of INTJ's on this list, I believe... thoughts on
>depression from others? Is Avon a likely candidate, by the consensus of
>INTJs experience?
I guess that the consensus from the medical profession would be that
depression can have a variety of causes: life events, biochemical factors;
also, some forms of depression appear to be inherited. The preferred
clinical definition of depression now is 'low self esteem': I'll leave you
each to come to your own conclusions as to whether that's a good one.
The idea that I found most interesting was that of 'salience'; i.e. that a
certain 'bad' life event might not make one person depressed whilst
utterly screwing someone else. For example, a person might not be affected
by losing their job because that's not how they measure their self-worth.
For someone else, unemployment might be a devastating blow to that
self-esteem.
So would Avon be prone to depression? All the stuff I've mulched over in
my head leads me to the conclusion that he probably would: Avon survives
by his intellect, and his intellect let him down tremendously and
tragically: the fraud failed and (he thinks for some time) results in the
death of the person he loves. This would be compounded by his eventual
discovery of Anna's duplicity: 'Of all the things I've known myself to be,
I never recognized the fool'. Guilt is also a classic symptom of
depression: the attribution to oneself of consequences that in actuality
are not your responsibility. Avon often strikes me as a character for whom
guilt is never very far away from the surface.
(I'm aware that I'm pushing a particular line and view of depression here
which I might not necessarily do in conversation: I'm much more interested
in the socially constructed nature of illness - i.e. why do we choose to
define certain types of behaviour as 'illness' and what the ramifications
of that are. We might be interested, for example, in what it says about
society that women are currently more likely to suffer from what we call
'depression').
I've missed a lot of the Myers-Briggs discussion because I've been skim
reading the letters this week: busy at work. However, being pretentious
for a moment and putting my academic's hat on (shameless act of
legitimization there!) I have to stick a spanner in the works and say that
as a critical psychologist I don't have much truck with personality
metrics. It seems to me that this sort of 'measuring' does nothing more
than measure the criterion which have been fed into the metric: a better
example perhaps is IQ testing which, to me, does nothing more than measure
how well people perform on IQ tests. We're kidding ourselves if we think
that IQ tests somehow tap into an indefinable something called
'intelligence'. Same with the measurement of personality traits. To me it
seems we could drop the number of possible outcomes on the Myers-Briggs
test to 12 and then rename them, giving them title such as 'Scorpio',
'Capricorn' and 'Libra' and we wouldn't be doing anything different -
except that we choose to call one scientific and the other superstitious
and hence one is acceptable and the other not. Nonetheless, at the end
of the day it's fun to use things like the MB test!
I don't know if this will be popular with people, but please don't be too
hard with the flaming - I get it all day in a professional capacity and
as I seem to be the only person who's 'gone critical' in this part of
the world it leads for a sad and lonely life!! However, I'd be really
interested to hear what people think of my interpretations, and hope
they're taken in the spirit they're intended! :)
All the best,
Una
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:19:44 +0000 (GMT)
From: Una McCormack <umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Space City <space-city@world.std.com>
Subject: [B7L] B7 costumes still going for a song
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Just to update people on what remains in the great B7 costume sale. All
prices in pounds sterling. E-mail me if you're interested.
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:14:01 GMT
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Depression and Myers-Briggs
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Una wrote:
>
> I've missed a lot of the Myers-Briggs discussion because I've been skim
> reading the letters this week: busy at work. However, being pretentious
> for a moment and putting my academic's hat on (shameless act of
> legitimization there!) I have to stick a spanner in the works and say that
> as a critical psychologist I don't have much truck with personality
> metrics. It seems to me that this sort of 'measuring' does nothing more
> than measure the criterion which have been fed into the metric: a better
> example perhaps is IQ testing which, to me, does nothing more than measure
> how well people perform on IQ tests. We're kidding ourselves if we think
> that IQ tests somehow tap into an indefinable something called
> 'intelligence'. Same with the measurement of personality traits. To me it
> seems we could drop the number of possible outcomes on the Myers-Briggs
> test to 12 and then rename them, giving them title such as 'Scorpio',
> 'Capricorn' and 'Libra' and we wouldn't be doing anything different -
> except that we choose to call one scientific and the other superstitious
> and hence one is acceptable and the other not. Nonetheless, at the end
> of the day it's fun to use things like the MB test!
Of course, the same is true of absolutely any measurement one could make. What
makes a measurement scientific is its predictive power. For example, I gather IQ
was developed as a measure of how academically successful children would be at
school, and it's very good at predicting this. While I'm no expert on
psychometric tests, I don't think it's unreasonable that one could devise a test
with some predictive power. A few years ago I read a book giving some results
from MB tests that had been performed on a student population. One of the most
striking results was that _all_ physics students were INT types. There were many
other, less tight, corellations.
Now, you could have as many or as few types as you want, and assign them by any
method you choose: the important point is that the classification must have some
nontrivial predictive ability if it is to be scientifically valid and useful.
The classification system used in astrology has zero predictive power.
[Note that all scientific predictions are statistical.]
> I don't know if this will be popular with people, but please don't be too
> hard with the flaming - I get it all day in a professional capacity and
> as I seem to be the only person who's 'gone critical' in this part of
> the world it leads for a sad and lonely life!! However, I'd be really
> interested to hear what people think of my interpretations, and hope
> they're taken in the spirit they're intended! :)
Criticism should always be encouraged in science [1] , painful though that can
be for those who are criticised. I don't know what your professional capacity
is, but if it's one where healthy scepticism is discouraged then that is an ill
omen.
Iain
[1] With the one proviso that I am always right, of course.
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:31:21 -0000
From: Alison Page <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Depression and Myers-Briggs
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Lots of fascinating stuff from Una on the validity of personality testing.
Can anyone tell I'm supposed to be writing a report on cost-effectiveness
in Luton (yawn)? You can tell when I've got loads to do because my posting
to the email lists increases exponentially.
I notice Una is some kind of management consultant. This is ironic because
friends of mine have been totally put off Myers-Briggs by its ham-fisted
application by management consultants. So, I am actually really pleased to
see that Una is being a bit critical.
My mate who had this experience said that perhaps the M-B measurements are
like arbitrary co-ordinates imposed onto a sphere: you can identify any
point on the sphere by using the co-ordinates, but that doesn't prove that
the co-ordinates relate to anything except themselves. I tend not to agree,
though, and the reason is that when I read the definition of ENTP it seems
much more like me than when I read (say) what Leos are supposed to be like.
This isn't very scientific, but then I haven't got the resources to be
scientific.
I would treat M-B as something between a toy and a tool (no reference to
any characters alive or fictional intended). So - dragging myself back to
B7 by main force - if discussing the temperements gives us a handle on why
(say) the 4th season crew are less balanced than the first season crew -
then it's a useful tool. If it gives us a format for discussing whether or
not Avon is depressed, and if so why, then its a good toy (or vice-versa).
I want to see what people think about IQ too, but I'll post that later so
this doesn't get too long
Alison
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:08:08 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Missing protagonists - and the truth about Avon
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Fran wrote:
>Also disqualified are Rebecca, My Cousin
>Rachael, In Search of Gregory, Laura, etc,
>where the main character never appears
>or only appears in flashback.
I don't want to run any spoilers, but one of the above title characters is
definitely alive and well by the end of the story, and I'm pretty sure
another one is there until the final page.
Tom replied to Lindley:
>> Say, I wonder if Avon suffers from PMT?
>
>I doubt it - he's not married
Don't be so sure. Watch that third finger... Ellie Baskerville's
extensive research indicates that all the other characters wearing rings on
their ring fingers were actually married.
Harriet
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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 07:30:18 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: Una McCormack <umm10@eng.cam.ac.uk>
CC: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Clinical depression and low self-esteem are TOTALLY different! Clinical
depression may be triggered by unhappy events but also may be purely
bio-chemical. Low self-esteem is often a permanent characteristic of an
individual. And you're a psychologist? Sorry, hope you don't interpret
this as a flame, but I've tried to be pretty well-informed on the
subject, and I think maybe you are confused.
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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 02:40:55 +1100
From: Fran Myers <algemy@ozemail.com.au>
To: B7 <blake7@lysator.liu.se>
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Iain sed: > For example, I gather IQ > was developed as a measure of
how academically successful children would be at > school, and it's very
good at predicting this.
Unfortunately this is misleading. IQ tests are very dependant on ans
biased towards language skills, and language skill in itself is a good
predictor of school success. There are IQ tests which don't use
language skills, but I don't think these have been developed or used
since the fifties when research on deafness and intelligence was done.
Remember how IQ tests were used to "prove" that black children were less
intelligent that white children? It was then demonstrated that language
and cultural differences were responsible for the lower scores, not lack
of intelligence.
Fran M
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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 02:51:47 +1100
From: Fran Myers <algemy@ozemail.com.au>
To: B7 <blake7@lysator.liu.se>
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I am very depressed at Una's news that "depression" is now being
labelled "low self esteem".
It seems to me that "depression" is a much higher status term, and it
makes me feel much better to be depressive rather than just admitting to
low self esteem. I prefer to be considered ill than to be considered a
useless, contemptable wimp.
It's possible to have low self esteem without being depressed about it.
Until recently, that was how the Perfect Woman was supposed to feel.
And, damn it, some people SHOULD have low self esteem who unfortunately
don't!
And let's move this discussion to the Spin List....
Fran (I'm monopolar depressive)
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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 11:36:00 -0800
From: "PATTI McCLELLAN" <patti.mcclellan@kyl.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Hail Servalan
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Leah, I loved your Hail Servalan. My only suggestion would be to
change the last line to "now, at the hour of our death."
Patti
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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 11:47:00 -0800
From: "PATTI McCLELLAN" <patti.mcclellan@kyl.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Digest V98 #72
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Calle, thank you. Will try it.
And I use CC:Mail. Soon, however, we're going to be changing to
whatever comes with windows 95 and Microsoft Office 97. God help us
all.
Patti
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:55:00 -0000
From: Alison Page <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] IQ and dominance/submission
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No, about IQ I was thinking that it is more a matter of choice than most
people will admit. I once got into an IQ 'competition' with my boyfriend. I
borrowed a book from the library with all these tests in, and one evening
we started racing each other. I found it was possible by an effort of will
(spurred on by competitiveness) to massively increase my score - the actual
numbers don't matter, it was the enormous increase which struck me. IQ as
dominance behaviour.
Conversely I think that many people unconsciously underplay their own
intelligence as a kind of submissive behaviour, kind of like a dog drooping
its ears and lowering itself. I don't mean they deliberately underscore on
tests, and act thick on purpose, its just that they aren't motivated to try
that hard - there are big social rewards from acting stupid.
Funnily enough I find this kind of acting dumb absolutely infuriating in
real life - I know that's not very kind of me but there you are. But Vila
isn't annoying when he does it - I think its becuase he knows very well
what he is doing and he never drops his guard. He's more like a dog which
droops its ears, sneaks up behind the boss dog and nips it on the behind.
Alison
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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 12:44:47 -0800
From: Jay <jmcguiga@succeed.net>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] IQ and dominance/submission
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At 07:55 PM 3/4/98 -0000, Alison wrote:
>Conversely I think that many people unconsciously underplay their own
>intelligence as a kind of submissive behaviour, kind of like a dog drooping
>its ears and lowering itself. I don't mean they deliberately underscore on
>tests, and act thick on purpose, its just that they aren't motivated to try
>that hard - there are big social rewards from acting stupid.
I've never taken an IQ test before, but although I'm no genius I consider I
have a fair intelligence. I quite agree with people unconsciously
downplaying their intelligence, I try not to do it. On several occasions,
when in a group of friends, I will make a statement or answer a question
that will astound my friends (when the fact is not very astounding) and
they will say things like "How did you know that?", "Wow, you're so
clever!", etc. I now find myself the walking enclycopedia for this group
when really any of them could have done the same if they wanted to. I
think people don't want to appear superior to their peers by appearing to
be smarter. I say if you've got it, use it.
>
>Funnily enough I find this kind of acting dumb absolutely infuriating in
>real life - I know that's not very kind of me but there you are. But Vila
>isn't annoying when he does it - I think its becuase he knows very well
>what he is doing and he never drops his guard. He's more like a dog which
>droops its ears, sneaks up behind the boss dog and nips it on the behind.
LOL! I like this! And I admit I have done the same type of thing in the
past. Look out for the quiet ones, they're the worst :-) !!
Jay
100% Avon
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:58:54 +0000 (GMT)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] IQ tests
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On Wed 04 Mar, Fran Myers wrote:
> Unfortunately this is misleading. IQ tests are very dependant on ans
> biased towards language skills, and language skill in itself is a good
> predictor of school success. There are IQ tests which don't use
> language skills, but I don't think these have been developed or used
> since the fifties when research on deafness and intelligence was done.
>
Erm... They got past that long ago. How else would my dyslexic son score 130
on an IQ test? That was how they caught the dyslexia - his reading age was
normal, his spelling poor but only a year or two behind where it should be. It
was only when his IQ was tested and taken into account that they realised he was
in fact a long way behind where he should be on word related skills and he's now
getting specialist help for that.
Sorry, this should probably have gone to the spin list, but I've lost the
address for it.
Valient attemot to restore subject to B7. - Vila claimed to have bought his
delta grade classification. Presumably children must have been tested at
various stages or he wouldn't have had to buy himself into his grade. Vila was
bright enough to be picked up on tests.
Of course, he could have been lying. Maybe delta children were never properly
tested, but Vila was just resenting being put down by everyone and just wanted
to claim that he could have been upgraded.
Judith
--
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Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:32:56 -0000
From: "Heather Smith" <Heather.Smith@btinternet.com>
To: "Blake's 7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon/Blackadder
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I said
> >Oh, well, in Blackadder Lord Flashheart was funny, but he was funny
> >_because_ he was so annoying, the humour came from how he was, how
>>most
> >characters perceived him and how Blackadder perceived him. However (as
> >with Ace Rimmer) if he became a regular character he'd become just plain
> >irritating (oh, actually maybe Ace would just be boring). Tarrant
however,
> >*was** a regular.....
To which Lorna returned:
> Yes, Tarrant was a regular, and I don't find him the least irritating,
> boring, or annoying. Different people, different perceptions.
Which is what makes discussion so interesting. If everybody
thought/acted/dressed/looked the same life would be so dull it just
wouldn't be worth living. Hence the fact I argue against further EU
integration at every available opportunity, opps! Sorry, waaayyyy
off-topic.
> PS: You know, that subject line up there--it could be read as just
*really*
> twisted...wouldn't it be incestuous?
Now there's an interesting premise, any offers amongst all you lovely
fanfic authors....? Mind you, they'd be so busy watching their backs, any
liaison would probably require them both to be gymnasts. Not that such a
situation would necessarily be a bad thing of course.
Heather.
'There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish'
-The fourth Doctor
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:05:54 -0000
From: "Tom Forsyth" <Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com>
To: "B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] re: Orbit
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Jackie, understandably, fell asleep during the lecture:
> I truely am sorry. I don`t mean to be facetiuous, but the actual
> mechanics of how heavy the plastic thingy was went straight over my head
> (I`m only little).
You do realise there will be a test later, don't you?
You do also realise that I don't expect anyone to actually read this
drivel, don't you?
> Can`t we just accept that as Macho Man raised a great deal of sweat in
> shifting it it must have been very heavy. BUT! while he was doing said
> plastic thingy sliding, he was gasping out for Vila to help him, what
> exactly did he expect Vila to grab hold of. (be careful with your
> answers, I`ve just checked, this is Lysator we`re on, not the Other
> One). After all the plastic thingy was not big enough for them both to
> grab.
Well, that's the point of the last bit - he can be Arnold Swarznegger's
bigger, uglier, cybernetically-enhanced brother, and he still can't push it
because his feet just slip on the floor.
Tom Forsyth.
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:57:29 -0000
From: "Tom Forsyth" <Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com>
To: "B7 Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Dayna and "Bonding Ritual"
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Calle thought:
> > Perhaps from the time after 'Aftermath' and up until 'Ultraworld',
> > the other crew of the Liberator "taught" her.
>
> There *must* be fanfic exploring that line of reasoning.
>
> > Another possibility could have been she saw the mating habits of
> > animals on Serran and learned that way.
>
> A third possibility is that she and Lauren, er, experimented a bit.
> Maybe Hal had some ispiring old books lying around.
> There must be fanfic about that, too. At least there ought to be :-)
Well, my bit of shag-fic ("Trigger Happy") explored a fourth possibility.
Other list, of course....
Tom Forsyth.
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Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 01:37:43 +0000
From: Jackie <jackiew@termlow.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] re: Orbit
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Tom Forsyth wrote:
>
> Jackie, understandably, fell asleep during the lecture:
> > I truely am sorry. I don`t mean to be facetiuous, but the actual
> > mechanics of how heavy the plastic thingy was went straight over my head
> > (I`m only little).
>
> You do realise there will be a test later, don't you?
Z- or will I get a mark for spelling my name right?
Jckie
ungraded it is then!
>
> You do also realise that I don't expect anyone to actually read this
> drivel, don't you?
:-0 But I did, twice. Still fell asleep, but I got further on the
second attempt. she says Proudly.
>
> > Can`t we just accept that as Macho Man raised a great deal of sweat in
> > shifting it it must have been very heavy. BUT! while he was doing said
> > plastic thingy sliding, he was gasping out for Vila to help him, what
> > exactly did he expect Vila to grab hold of. (be careful with your
> > answers, I`ve just checked, this is Lysator we`re on, not the Other
> > One). After all the plastic thingy was not big enough for them both to
> > grab.
>
> Well, that's the point of the last bit - he can be Arnold Swarznegger's
> bigger, uglier, cybernetically-enhanced brother, and he still can't push it
> because his feet just slip on the floor.
With HIS boots? Didn`t you see the size of the tread on the soles?
nothing will get them to slide across the floor so great would be the
grip!!
Bye
I`m off to catch a spaceship to Domo
Jackie
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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 21:10:48 EST
From: penny_kjelgaard@juno.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Enneagrams and Kingdomality
Message-ID: <19980304.180523.17663.0.Penny_Kjelgaard@juno.com>
For a twist on the personality perspectives of Myers-Briggs, have a web
search of Enneagram and/or visit the Kingdomality pages at
http://www.cmi-lmi.com/kingdomality.html.
Confirmed!
Penny
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 21:03:28 -0500 (EST)
From: "Katherin M. McArthur" <mcarthur@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
To: Tom Forsyth <Tom.Forsyth@btinternet.com>
cc: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Dayna and "Bonding Ritual"
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Well, the answer that jumps to my mind is that she learned from
Justin - whether or not they ever actually hooked up (pedophilia, anyone?)
she obviously had had a crush on him.
--Katie
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:24:24 +1000
From: "Narkowicz, Mark" <mnark@igs.vic.edu.au>
To: "'blakes7@lysator.liu.se'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] RE: unsubscribe
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>From:
> blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se[SMTP:blakes7-d-request@lysator.liu.se]
>Sent: Wednesday, 4 March 1998 7:27
>To: blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se
>Subject: blakes7-d Digest V98 #73
>
><<Message: Microsoft Exchange Message>><<Message: Re: [B7L]
>ssmmmoooking>><<Message: Re: [B7L] Multiple Personality/Schiz...>><<Message:
>Re: [B7L] Orbit>><<Message: Re: [B7L] Orbit>><<Message: Re: [B7L]
>ssmmmoook...>><<Message: Re: [B7L] soma>><<Message: Re: [B7L]
>ssmmmoook...>><<Message: Re: [B7L] soma>><<Message: [B7L] missing
>protagonists>><<Message: Re: [B7L] re Multiple Personality/Sc...>><<Message:
>[B7L] Making News>><<Message: Re: [B7L] Dayna and "Bonding
>Ritual">><<Message: [B7L] Digest V98 #72>><<Message: Re: [B7L] Multiple
>Personality/Schiz...>><<Message: Re: [B7L] NZ>><<Message: [B7L] Re: Vila's
>accepting ways>><<Message: Re: [B7L] re Multiple
>Personality/Sc...>><<Message: [B7L] Liberator model>><<Message: Re: [B7L]
>Avon/Blackadder>><<Message: Re: [B7L] Digest V98 #72>><<Message: Re: [B7L]
>costumes>><<Message: [B7L] Hail Servalan (was: ssmmmoooki...>><<Message: Re:
>[B7L] Multiple Personality/Schiz...>><<Message: Re: [B7L] OT: Jingo (was Re:
>Cally a...>><<Message: Re: [B7L] Re: Multiple Personality etc>><<Message: Re:
>[B7L] New Zealanders>><<Message: Re: [B7L] Orbit>><<Message: Re: [B7L]
>Avon/Blackadder>><<Message: Re: [B7L] B7 and Meyers-Brigs>><<Message: Re:
>[B7L] Re: Gan>><<Message: [B7L] re: `Allo, `Allo, zis is Avon ...>><<Message:
>Re: [B7L] Re: Vila's accepting ways>><<Message: Re: [B7L] missing
>protagonists>><<Message: [B7L] Re: Fan Q possibilities>><<Message: Re: [B7L]
>B7 and Meyers-Brigs>><<Message: [B7L] Soolin was so poor>><<Message: Re:
>[B7L] Multiple Personality/Schiz...>><<Message: [B7L] Scarred and Grimey
>Blake>>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 17:58:00 -0800
From: "PATTI McCLELLAN" <patti.mcclellan@kyl.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Winning is the Only Safety
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Is there any way for someone like me, who has acces only to
e-mail, but not to the internet proper, to get the above story off the
Highlander Archive? If not, I'll just wait. One day, it will happen.
I believe! Honest I do!
Patti
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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 18:08:00 -0800
From: "PATTI McCLELLAN" <patti.mcclellan@kyl.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Smoking
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How to approach this? Having been offended myself, I have no
desire to be offensive in turn. Perhaps, he jests at scars who never
felt a wound? I am a recovered alcoholic -- it will be 28 years at
the end of May. I am also an ex-smoker. I assure you I have an
excellent I.Q. That has NOTHING to do with addiction. I still have
times when I'd like to go relax with a drink or have just one
cigarette just to keep from twisting the head off some ignorant little
creep who thinks he's better than I am (I am referring to my
attorneys, not anyone on this list). The only reason I don't do those
things is that I'd rather die than live like that again. That is the
ONLY reason. I didn't stop because I was suddenly smarter or had more
self-control. Addicts have no control. Part of the horror of
addiction is that you can see what you're doing to yourself and you
cant' stop. After a while, you just want to die to get it over with.
A lucky few of us manage to stop for one day. And then one more day,
etc. When one observes addition, contempt is not appropriate.
Compassion is better.
Patti
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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 19:21:57 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] IQ and dominance/submission
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> Conversely I think that many people unconsciously underplay their own
> intelligence as a kind of submissive behaviour, kind of like a dog drooping
> its ears and lowering itself. I don't mean they deliberately underscore on
> tests, and act thick on purpose, its just that they aren't motivated to try
> that hard - there are big social rewards from acting stupid.
>
It's Vila!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 19:33:42 -0800
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: B7 Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] re: Orbit
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Tom Forsyth wrote:
>
> Jackie, understandably, fell asleep during the lecture:
> > I truely am sorry. I don`t mean to be facetiuous, but the actual
> > mechanics of how heavy the plastic thingy was went straight over my head
> > (I`m only little).
>
> You do realise there will be a test later, don't you?
>
> You do also realise that I don't expect anyone to actually read this
> drivel, don't you?
>
> > Can`t we just accept that as Macho Man raised a great deal of sweat in
> > shifting it it must have been very heavy. BUT! while he was doing said
> > plastic thingy sliding, he was gasping out for Vila to help him, what
> > exactly did he expect Vila to grab hold of. (be careful with your
> > answers, I`ve just checked, this is Lysator we`re on, not the Other
> > One). After all the plastic thingy was not big enough for them both to
> > grab.
>
Villa could have helped by planting himself squarely behind Avon so he
would slip less.
Of course, that would give TheOtherList plenty to talk about.
> Well, that's the point of the last bit - he can be Arnold Swarznegger's
> bigger, uglier, cybernetically-enhanced brother, and he still can't push it
> because his feet just slip on the floor.
>
> Tom Forsyth.
>
>
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:30:01 EST
From: RatterTat <RatterTat@aol.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Looking for Video Tapes
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Does anyone know if "Making News" and "Murder Must Advertise" is available for
sale on video tape?
I've been looking for these for a very long time without any luck. I'd be
grateful for any help.
Thanks
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:02:08 +0500
From: "Graham Howard" <Gxh$lib@qc1.qc.edu>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Radio play
Message-ID: <1F0964F5BFA@qc1.qc.edu>
Did anyone hear the recently aired BBC radio play of Blakes 7? Paul
Darrow, Michael Keating, Jacqueline Pierce and Steven Pace played
their respective characters, with other actors playing the other main
parts, apart from Blake, who I think was not in the play.
Apologies if this has already been discussed - I'm new to this list.
Graham.
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