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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 309
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Breakfast with Blake and Co.
[B7L] What does 'Duel' Tell Us...
[B7L]Re:Travis has three faces
Re: [B7L]Re:Travis has three faces
Re: [B7L] Breakfast with Blake and Co.
Re: [B7L] Breakfast with Blake and Co.
Re: [B7L] Avon the genius?
Re: [B7L] What does 'Duel' Tell Us...
[B7L] Re: Gotcha
[B7L] Re: Gotcha
Re: [B7L] What does 'Duel' Tell Us...
[B7L] Blake's 7 Survey Site
Re: [B7L] Re: Gotcha
Re: [B7L] Re: Travis has three faces
[B7L] Attention Blake Fans
Re: [B7L] Breakfast with Blake and Co.
Re: [B7L] Breakfast with Blake and Co.
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 00:48:42 PST
From: "Penny Dreadful" <pdreadful@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Breakfast with Blake and Co.
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>Bugger it, can't think of one for Zen. Anyone got a dictionary?
>
>-- Rob
Having read the Z's end to end in mine I see a trend of z-adjectives
tending to express...well, "zany","zesty","zealous"...energy and
enthusiasm, which do not equate in my mind with Zen. Zaftig? Mmm, no.
"Zero-Zeal Zen" is the best I can do.
-Penny "The Kind Of Person Who Reads The Dictionary For Fun" Dreadful
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:33:16 PST
From: "Penny Dreadful" <pdreadful@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] What does 'Duel' Tell Us...
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Judith sez:
>As far as studying character goes, what does 'Duel' tell us about
Travis?
["Hi-Lites" horrible illustration: Blake dialoguing sincerely with Giroc
and Sinofar on Planet Krispikrunch while Travis fumes and tries stamping
his foot]:
Goofus mouths off to the omnipotent alien ghosts.
Gallant tries to open a line of communication with the omnipotent alien
ghosts.
[illustration: B & T up their respective trees with their respective
gal-pals]:
Goofus enjoys picking on his underling.
Gallant treats his underling with consideration.
[illustrations: self-explanatory]
Goofus takes unfair advantage of his opponent's externally-induced
disorientation.
Gallant spares his opponent, even though he's beaten him fair and
square.
In conclusion, 'Duel' teaches us that Travis is a bad man. And reminds
me how much I always hated that smarmy little Gallant. Even at the age
of eight I'm sure I could extrapolate his Brett Easton Ellis future.
-Penny "Die, Roadrunner, Die!" Dreadful
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:10:54 -0000
From: "Julie Horner" <julie.horner@lincolnsoftware.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L]Re:Travis has three faces
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Judith said:
>There's an interesting comment in 'Weapon' where Travis refers to his
visits to
>the 'retraining therapist'. What's that about? Did it involve some kind of
>mental manipulation. On days when I'm treating the two Travisis as separate
>individuals (which I do occasionally for purposes of writing a story) then
I
>assume that the 'retraining' was to make the second man believe that he
>was the
>first as this is the first episode in which Brian Croucher appears. The
first
>Travis became unstable or died in a fight or accident (or Servalan had him
>killed). Brain prints are a given technology in Blake's 7, as is memory
>adjustment, so it woud not be impossible to create a second Travis. The
fact
>that Servalan used the first Blake clone to test Travis is also indicative.
Why
>test unless you have a reason to? And what was the involvement of the
>clonemasters? Did they create the second Travis as well as the Blake
clones?
That is a really interesting theory but surely if the clonemasters had
created
the second Travis they would have made him look like the first (after all
they managed that with Blake)
Also how would one explain the fact that other characters knew that it
was Travis?
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Date: 15 Dec 1998 15:23:16 +0100
From: Calle Dybedahl <qdtcall@esavionics.se>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L]Re:Travis has three faces
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"Julie Horner" <julie.horner@lincolnsoftware.com> writes:
> That is a really interesting theory but surely if the clonemasters
> had created the second Travis they would have made him look like the first
Servalan ordered the new Travis. From _Seek, Locate, Destroy_:
TRAVIS: [Chuckles] What are you suggesting, cosmetic surgery? I'm a
field officer, not one of your decorative staff men.
SERVALAN: You're certainly not decorative.
TRAVIS: You find it repulsive?
SERVALAN: I find it ... unpleasing.
--
Calle Dybedahl, qdtcall@esavionics.se, http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/
Truth is stranger than fiction, because fiction has to make sense.
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:51:10 -0800
From: Pat Patera <pussnboots@geocities.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Breakfast with Blake and Co.
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Penny Dreadful wrote:
> "Zero-Zeal Zen" is the best I can do.
ha ha he ho
I can see Zen and Marvin (the robot from the Douglas Adams books) having
what they consider a scintiallting conversation. It would read like
Waiting for Godot.
I'm passing out from the boredom of it all right now!
Pat P
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:50:35 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Breakfast with Blake and Co.
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Of course, what this Subject made me think of, when I first saw it
lined up in my mailbox was, exactly, _breakfast with Blake and Co_.
So, what do you think each of the characters would eat for breakfast?
* Avon's probably a coffee person.
* Cally, naturally, would have a special museli blend that she makes
herself, and fresh fruit when she can get it.
* Vila probably has one of those nauseatingly sweet and
brightly-coloured cereals which comes with a free toy. Either Fruit
Loops or one of those numerous US cereals that you can't get over
here.
* Gan would be an eggs-and-bacon-on-toast sort of person.
Any more ideas?
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 14:04:55 EST
From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Avon the genius?
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Deborah, I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
I'm willing to concede that Avon was a very smart man and that he was very
good in his areas of expertise, but despite all the persuasive arguments that
have been presented, I still wouldn't call him a genius. This list would be
boring if everyone agreed on everything. :-)
Tiger M
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 19:20:47 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] What does 'Duel' Tell Us...
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On Tue 15 Dec, Penny Dreadful wrote:
<snip>
> In conclusion, 'Duel' teaches us that Travis is a bad man. And reminds
> me how much I always hated that smarmy little Gallant. Even at the age
> of eight I'm sure I could extrapolate his Brett Easton Ellis future.
I think I get rather different things from the episode. It's a little bit more
subtle than the very obvious good guy/bad guy things you can draw from it.
For instance, Giroc is fascinated by Travis and there's a slight degree of
chemistry between Sinofer and Blake. What causes the attraction in each case?
Why were Sinnofer and Giroc chosen as representatives of their race?
Does Blake refuse to kill Travis because he's the 'good bloke' or because he
doesn't want to provide free entertainment for Giroc? I always saw a little bit
of the latter in his actions, though some of his motivation was undoubtedly a
desire to avoid murder.
Why is Travis so interested in Keera? Is it simply that he's bored and wants to
pass the time? Is he feeling his own mortality and wanting something capable of
humanity to talk to? Or did he know her before she became a mutoid? (That's a
very easy conclusion to draw from what he says)
The second option is the one I feel is the most likely. Travis is human and
even he (with his normal preference for working with mutoids) wants real company
on occasion.
We're seeing more than ethics in the combat scenes, we're also seeing training.
Travis was trained to fight. In a combat situation, you don't hesitate, if your
opponent is vulnerable, you go for him. Blake was a civilian and a former
member of a party that tried to promote freedom, democracy, etc. That tends to
give you a handicap until you get used to being a terrorist - which Blake
eventually did. (Please let's not get into arguments of just what a terrorist
is - save that one for another day - it tends to do the rounds about once a year
in any case)
Judith
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:09:26 +0100
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
CC: Dangermouse <master@sol.co.uk>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Gotcha
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Meredith said: "I just saw Dangermouse's rejoinder to Calle -- that the
Internet
snowball he sent was "not a chain letter." It most certainly *is* a
chain letter; I've seen those confounded snowballs all over the net, and
I'm glad Calle spoke up in response. I didn't find the "Internet
snowball fight" particularly funny the first time -- several weeks ago,
by the way -- that I received a posting, and the joke definitely hasn't
improved with age."
I found it quite amusing and forwarded it to a number of friends. I
think you are being seriously over sensitive here. David, I'm sure,
posted this just to add a little festive cheer, which is the way I took
it. I hope David doesn't (or hasn't) leave the list; that would be a
shame. But if he has the real shame is that people for some reason think
is their role to attack people for having a laugh. If you want to drive
people out of fandom you are going the right way about it.
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
Redemption 99: The Blakes 7 and Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Ashford, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:14:36 -0000
From: "Dangermouse" <master@sol.co.uk>
To: <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Gotcha
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> From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@MCR1.poptel.org.uk>
> I hope David doesn't (or hasn't) leave the list; that would be a
> shame.
Well, I tried, but even though I sent the unsubscribe message the same way
I do when I'm going away for a while, I got a message saying I'd done it
wrong...
Oh, and Clive James' SF edition with Jackie pearce is on Monday 21st.
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:18:59 PST
From: "Penny Dreadful" <pdreadful@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] What does 'Duel' Tell Us...
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Judith, the voice of reason, said:
>It's a little bit more
>subtle than the very obvious good guy/bad guy things you can draw from
it.
I like 'Duel'. It's grown on me over the years (All those coloured
lights still make me queasy, though). The Goofus & Gallant analogy is a
flashback to the first time I saw it.
>Why is Travis so interested in Keera?
I always saw that as a seriously inept come-on. A hostile, half-hearted
pick-up line. It's in keeping with my diagnosis of Travis' personality
disorder (I'm not a psychologist, but I *do* have a second-hand copy of
the "DSM-III-R Training Guide"). And I think after being "rejected" by
the poor thing his pointless refusal to let her drink Jenna's blood is
subconscious revenge.
>Travis was trained to fight. In a combat situation, you don't
hesitate, if your
>opponent is vulnerable, you go for him.
That's a good point - hadn't occurred to me. Although frequently Travis
does pause to make a little premature victory speech before (not)
killing Blake.
-Penny "Tell Me About Your Childhood..." Dreadful
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:03:53 EST
From: BugEyes1@aol.com
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Blake's 7 Survey Site
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I stumbled across this site and thought I would share it with everyone. The
address is http://www.swd.net.au/cgi-bin/geos/episodes.cgi/index/bl7. It is a
survey site where you can rate all the episodes of Blake's 7 along with alot
of other sci-fi shows.
Hannah
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 21:43:43 -0600
From: "Lorna B." <msdelta@magnolia.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Gotcha
Message-Id: <199812160335.VAA06951@pemberton.magnolia.net>
Meredith said <after some snipping>
>I didn't find the "Internet
>snowball fight" particularly funny the first time -- several weeks ago,
>by the way -- that I received a posting, and the joke definitely hasn't
>improved with age."
Steve R. said:
>I found it quite amusing and forwarded it to a number of friends. I
>think you are being seriously over sensitive here. David, I'm sure,
>posted this just to add a little festive cheer, which is the way I took
>it. I hope David doesn't (or hasn't) leave the list; that would be a
>shame. But if he has the real shame is that people for some reason think
>is their role to attack people for having a laugh. If you want to drive
>people out of fandom you are going the right way about it.
FWIW, I get sick of the blasted things too, and also consider them a type of
spam. After receiving multiple copies of the same over several lists, I'm
sure a lot of recipients find their tempers getting rather short.
Calle handled it appropriately and diplomatically. Thanks, Calle.
Lorna B.
"Cookies and porn? You're the best mom ever!"
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 00:32:20 -0500
From: "Kimberly D. Ashford" <thesseli@msn.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Travis has three faces
Message-ID: <0361d16350510c8UPIMSSMTPUSR05@email.msn.com>
>>(lots of stuff snipped)
On days when I'm treating the two Travisis as separate
>individuals (which I do occasionally for purposes of writing a story) then
I
>assume that the 'retraining' was to make the second man believe that he was
the
>first as this is the first episode in which Brian Croucher appears
This is the premise of a story I'm writing, by the way...
Kim
PS: Travis also has three limbs. :)
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 98 05:24:00 GMT
From: s.thompson8@genie.com
To: space-city%world.std.com%inet02#@genie.com
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Attention Blake Fans
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I just found a note to myself regarding something I meant to post just after
Eclecticon, but forgot about. Anyway, here it is at last:
Marion McChesney has for sale a beautiful Suzan Lovett color original that
was the cover artwork for =Powerplay= #2. It's a full-color allegorical
fantasy showing Blake as an armored knight on horseback fighting the dragon
of the Federation. She is willing to sell it for what she paid for it,
namely U.S. $300 (plus whatever it costs to pack it safely and ship it to
the buyer).
IMO Suzan is absolutely the best fan artist when it comes to likenesses of
Blake.
If you're interested, e-mail Marion for details at:
napasha@aol.com
(Can we guess what fandom she's into these days?!)
Sarah T.
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:56:19 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Breakfast with Blake and Co.
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On Tue 15 Dec, Kathryn Andersen wrote:
> Of course, what this Subject made me think of, when I first saw it
> lined up in my mailbox was, exactly, _breakfast with Blake and Co_.
> So, what do you think each of the characters would eat for breakfast?
Travis - Blake's guts
Cally - croissant and coffee (because she's an alien and a continental breakfast
is still 'alien' to Brits <grin>)
Vila - definitely the bright cereal/confectionary with free plastic spaceman
etc.
Blake - my husband votes for porridge (because he was stirring...).
Jenna - on a diet. Grapefruit and yoghurt.
Judith
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:09:15 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Breakfast with Blake and Co.
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-----Forwarded message from Tigerm1019@aol.com-----
In a message dated 98-12-15 14:21:31 EST, Kathryn wrote:
<< So, what do you think each of the characters would eat for breakfast?
>>
*Tarrant and Dayna both strike me as the pancakes or toast, fruit, eggs and
coffee or tea type people.
*Soolin doesn't eat breakfast.
*When Jenna eats breakfast, it's probably toast, fruit and coffee, if that
much.
*Blake probably eats oatmeal or cereal and juice and coffee.
Tiger M
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