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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 209
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Feeble request
[B7L] Re: Dayna not killing Servalan
Re: [B7L] Re: Dayna not killing Servalan
[B7L] Re: Relationships
[B7L] Dayna not killing Servalan
[B7L] thanks to Anne
Re: [B7L] Re: Dayna not killing Servalan
Re: [B7L] Re: Dayna not killing Servalan
Re: [B7L] Re: Dayna not killing Servalan
Re: [B7L] Re: Dayna not killing Servalan
Re: [B7L] Re: Dayna not killing Servalan
RE: [B7L] Dayna not killing Servalan
Re: [B7L]UK Gold Intros
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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 21:43:48 +0100
From: Gloria Lancaster <gloria@GLORIA1.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Feeble request
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I'm leaving fandom and need to unsub from the list. I'm sorry, I've
tried to follow the instructions but nothing works, in fact, one time it
turned out I wasn't even *on* this list. I am, I get the digests every
day. Can someone please unsub me?
--
Gloria@gloria1.demon.co.uk
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:48:41 +0100 (BST)
From: mjsmith@tcd.ie (Murray)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Dayna not killing Servalan
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Has anyone else noticed that Dayna had a wonderful opportunity to
kill Servalan in 'The Harvest of Kairos' but failed to do so? This happened
when Servalan, fearing the destruction of the Liberator, was going to leave,
and ordered Dayna's death; but the latter pointed out that there would then
be nobody to operate the teleport. In doing so, she could have teleported
Servalan into deep space, and the fates of Vargas and Molok tell us what the
result would be. I can't claim credit for first noticing this; that has to
go to Neil Faulkner in 'Altazine'.
Murray Smith
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:42:18 +0100 (BST)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Dayna not killing Servalan
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On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Murray wrote:
> Has anyone else noticed that Dayna had a wonderful opportunity to
> kill Servalan in 'The Harvest of Kairos' but failed to do so? This happened
> when Servalan, fearing the destruction of the Liberator, was going to leave,
> and ordered Dayna's death; but the latter pointed out that there would then
> be nobody to operate the teleport. In doing so, she could have teleported
> Servalan into deep space, and the fates of Vargas and Molok tell us what the
> result would be. I can't claim credit for first noticing this; that has to
> go to Neil Faulkner in 'Altazine'.
Speaking of which, why _do_ people explode when teleported into space? Did
they ever give some kind of handwavy justification in the series?
Iain
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:14:28 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Relationships
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Rob said:
>You see, for me -- and I'm curious to find out if I'm
>unique in this aspect -- the most electrifying
>literary relationships have all been non-sexual.
I'm not sure I'd call it electrifying, but the relationship between Athene
and Odysseus in the Odyssey is probably the one I find most appealing in
literature. Samuel Butler thought the Odyssey was really composed by a
woman, and that Nausicaa (the king's daughter who rescues Odysseus on the
beach - cf Dayna and Avon) was her self-portrait. But if there's a Mary
Sue in the Odyssey, surely it's Athene. She and Odysseus are intellectual
equals, who enjoy a relaxed, bantering relationship - it seems unlikely he
could have had exactly that relationship with a mortal woman, though when
life got back to normal I think Penelope could have come close. And she
has the supernatural (authorial?) powers to rescue him from scrapes or back
him up in battle, without him ever getting resentful of her superiority.
I'd love to be Athene.
Harriet
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 04:20:35 PDT
From: "Rob Clother" <whitehorse_dream@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>Speaking of which, why _do_ people explode when teleported into >
>space? Did they ever give some kind of handwavy justification in the
>series?
Actually, they did. In "Cygnus Alpha":
JENNA: What would happen if you teleported someone beyond the maximum
range?
AVON: I would imagine that they would appear momentarily in space and
then that their atoms would be scattered to the solar winds.
That's justification enough for me, anyway...
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:04:25 EDT
From: VulcanXYZ@aol.com
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] thanks to Anne
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For Anne Lane - thanks for replying to my letter so quickly. It was so much
fun seeing my letter with the rest of the list stuff, but even nicer when I
had a reply following right after. I had mentioned that Blake was aware of
Jenna's jealousy in "Hostage" and Anne pointed out that the same thing happens
in "Duel." Thanks for that comment, Anne. Next time I actually find the time
to watch the TV (where do the hours in a day go???), I INTEND to pop that
video in and watch it again.
I also liked your comments that Avon both admires Blake and thinks him a fool
for not killing Travis in this episode. This is an excellent example of how
divided Avon's feelings for Blake are. There is a real attachment between
these two men, and yet they both admire and despise so much in each other.
This tension is one of the reasons that B7 is such a great series and gives us
so much to talk about.
Gail Gawlik
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 09:17:28 -0400
From: Ann Reckner <areckner@ivyproductions.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Dayna not killing Servalan
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Now I'm curious. What would more realistically happen to someone exposed in space
with no protective gear? Suffocation?
Thanks,
Ann R.
Iain Coleman wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Murray wrote:
>
> > Has anyone else noticed that Dayna had a wonderful opportunity to
> > kill Servalan in 'The Harvest of Kairos' but failed to do so? This happened
> > when Servalan, fearing the destruction of the Liberator, was going to leave,
> > and ordered Dayna's death; but the latter pointed out that there would then
> > be nobody to operate the teleport. In doing so, she could have teleported
> > Servalan into deep space, and the fates of Vargas and Molok tell us what the
> > result would be. I can't claim credit for first noticing this; that has to
> > go to Neil Faulkner in 'Altazine'.
>
> Speaking of which, why _do_ people explode when teleported into space? Did
> they ever give some kind of handwavy justification in the series?
>
> Iain
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Date: 05 Aug 1998 15:47:37 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <qdtcall@esavionics.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Dayna not killing Servalan
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Ann Reckner <areckner@ivyproductions.com> writes:
> Now I'm curious. What would more realistically happen to someone
> exposed in space with no protective gear? Suffocation?
From the sci.space FAQ (which doesn't seem to have been maintained
since 1996):
HOW LONG CAN A HUMAN LIVE UNPROTECTED IN SPACE
If you *don't* try to hold your breath, exposure to space for half a
minute or so is unlikely to produce permanent injury. Holding your
breath is likely to damage your lungs, something scuba divers have to
watch out for when ascending, and you'll have eardrum trouble if your
Eustachian tubes are badly plugged up, but theory predicts -- and animal
experiments confirm -- that otherwise, exposure to vacuum causes no
immediate injury. You do not explode. Your blood does not boil. You do
not freeze. You do not instantly lose consciousness.
Various minor problems (sunburn, possibly "the bends", certainly some
[mild, reversible, painless] swelling of skin and underlying tissue)
start after ten seconds or so. At some point you lose consciousness from
lack of oxygen. Injuries accumulate. After perhaps one or two minutes,
you're dying. The limits are not really known.
An expanded discussion of this issue, citing several case studies, may
be found at
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/sa/sd/intro/vacuum.html
References:
_The Effect on the Chimpanzee of Rapid Decompression to a Near Vacuum_,
Alfred G. Koestler ed., NASA CR-329 (Nov 1965).
_Experimental Animal Decompression to a Near Vacuum Environment_, R.W.
Bancroft, J.E. Dunn, eds, Report SAM-TR-65-48 (June 1965), USAF School
of Aerospace Medicine, Brooks AFB, Texas.
_Survival Under Near-Vacuum Conditions_ in the article "Barometric
Pressure," by C.E. Billings, Chapter 1 of _Bioastronautics Data Book_,
Second edition, NASA SP-3006, edited by James F. Parker Jr. and Vita R.
West, 1973.
--
Calle Dybedahl, UNIX Sysadmin
qdtcall@esavionics.se http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:01:54 +0100 (BST)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Dayna not killing Servalan
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On 5 Aug 1998, Calle Dybedahl wrote:
> Ann Reckner <areckner@ivyproductions.com> writes:
>
> > Now I'm curious. What would more realistically happen to someone
> > exposed in space with no protective gear? Suffocation?
>
> From the sci.space FAQ (which doesn't seem to have been maintained
> since 1996):
<excellent references snipped>
Alternatively, just see "2001: A Space Odyssey".
Iain
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:08:22 EDT
From: DCsquared@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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In a message dated 98-08-05 09:49:11 EDT, you write:
> > Now I'm curious. What would more realistically happen to someone
> > exposed in space with no protective gear? Suffocation?
>
Isn't space supposed to be extremely cold. Wouldn't that kill you pretty
quick without the suffocation factor?
Donna Chlouber
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:39:09 +0100 (BST)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Dayna not killing Servalan
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On Wed, 5 Aug 1998 DCsquared@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 98-08-05 09:49:11 EDT, you write:
>
> > > Now I'm curious. What would more realistically happen to someone
> > > exposed in space with no protective gear? Suffocation?
> >
>
> Isn't space supposed to be extremely cold. Wouldn't that kill you pretty
> quick without the suffocation factor?
Space has no temperature - how could it?
Those parts of you in direct sunlight would be blasted by a relatively
harsh radiation field, those parts in darkness would gradually radiate
their heat away. I doubt you'd live long enough for this to actually make
a great deal of difference to your life, but in the long run I guess you'd
suffer sunburn and frostbite simultaneously.
Iain
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 21:34:06 +-200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Dayna not killing Servalan
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> >Speaking of which, why _do_ people explode when teleported into >
>space? Did they ever give some kind of handwavy justification in the
>series?
> Actually, they did. In "Cygnus Alpha":
> JENNA: What would happen if you teleported someone beyond the
> maximum
range?
> AVON: I would imagine that they would appear momentarily in space and
then that their atoms would be scattered to the solar winds.
[Jacqueline Thijsen] That's when they are teleported beyond maximum range, which might mean that their atoms never really got properly reassembled in the first place. Internal pressure from the body itself would then be enough to cause the explosion. It doesn't sound like Avon had that in mind, though. IMHO, an explosion is very different from "being scattered to the solar winds".
The above also means that the effects as described by Calle will occur in stead of an explosion if someone is teleported into space, but within range of the teleporter. I don't have that tape, so does anyone know if Molok was also teleported beyond maximum range?
Bye,
Jacqueline
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 21:32:56 +0100
From: "Julie Horner" <jihorner@dial.pipex.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L]UK Gold Intros
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From: JMR <jager@clara.net>
>As I understand it UK Gold don't actually have the
>trailers any more. The BBC bought UK Gold last year, and revamped their
>format for the Sunday morning SF slot - dumping Glen Allen who had done
>both B7 and DW intros for quite a while, and also stopping the intros Paul
>had recorded for B7.
>
>I suspect that if you didn't manage to tape the intros the first time
>round, you won't get another chance, because it seems that they ditched the
>recordings. Typical BBC.
I did. Wow - does that mean I have a collector's item?
Julie Horner
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