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blakes7-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 204
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L]
[B7L] Servalan's Snakes
Re: [B7L] Leos
[B7L] Jenna
[B7L] Hamlet and B7 - very, very long
Re: [B7L] "Navigating the SC Sector"
Re: [B7L] "Navigating the SC Sector"
RE: [B7L] "Navigating the SC Sector"
RE: [B7L] Servalan's Snakes
Re: [B7L] Servalan's Snakes
Re: [B7L] Jenna
[B7L] Blake and Avon
Re: [B7L] Cheetos Ad
[B7L] Horizon newsletter
[B7L] (Temporary) farewell and assorted comments
RE: [B7L] Servalan's Snakes
[B7L] Othello and B7
[B7L] Horizon
[B7L] Costumes for sale
Re: [B7L] Navigating the SC Sector
Re: [B7L] Jenna
Re: [B7L] Horizon NL
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 15:00:41 -0400
From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L]
Message-ID: <199807281900.PAA26150@yfn.ysu.edu>
Rob wrote:
>"The problem is, this ship is not going anywhere."
This is a brilliant continuation, Rob. (I hope Stefi returns to see
the sequel to her story.)
>Soolin had heard enough. She knew all of this, and didn't need to be
>reminded. If Blake was planning something, it was time for him to stop
>playing games and bring it out into the open. "Aren't you forgetting
>something, Blake?" she prompted.
I have to sneak in a little bit of an AU that branches off after
this line. We start with Soolin answering her question.
Soolin: "What you forgot, Blake, is that you're not here. This is
the fourth season. Scorpio. Xenon Base. We don't have any
bleeding rebel leaders about."
Blake stared down at his baggy shirt, his bulky vest, his muddy
boots, and saw himself starting to fade. "Wait, wait," he cried.
"I can be two places at once. I'm a clone, or the other one is.
You need me. Wai-ai-ai-ait!"
Now, back to Rob's story:
>Blake turned his attention to Tarrant in exasperation. "You don't
>understand, Tarrant. If we tell them you're a big drink of water,
>they'll defend you.
Rob knows us too well. <g>
>"By calling me a big drink of water?" Tarrants fists were still
>clenched (though not very tightly, as he was, let's face it, a big drink
>of water).
Couldn't we at least modify that to a big, tasty, scenic drink of
water? <sniff> ;-)
>"Yes," replied Gan simply. "I expect you to believe it."
Great ending!
Carol Mc
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 12:17:17 -0700
From: Jacquelyn Taylor <ultmthrl@primenet.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Servalan's Snakes
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Harriet Monkhouse wrote:
> The first time I heard of Medusa, I was told that she was the most
> beautiful woman in the world and was punished for her sin by having her
> hair turned into snakes. Most of the versions I have heard since insist
> that the horror derived from hideous ugliness. This is a shame, because it
> was the horror of beauty framed by snakes that gripped me. So I'm glad
> Edith has mentioned the possibility that she was too beautiful to bear.
>
Unless you're like me and find snakes extraordinarily beautiful
creatures in their own right.
Depends on what kind of snakes Medusa was wearing, I suppose.
The poisonous ones are prettier. Maybe she was wearing kraits?
Now I can see Servalan wearing a defanged, de-venomed Gaboon Viper as a
costume accessory, if it weren't too bulky.
Or she could wear a simple non-lethal garden snake, but it wouldn't be
nearly as impressive.
Jackie T. <snakes coiling about her mind>
> Harriet
>
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:47:01 +1200
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Leos
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Leah:
>*Waving Leo paw from over here in the most attention-getting seat in the
>lounge*
>
>Leah
>(July 26, 1954)
Woohoo! Couldn't get a lot earlier than that!
*peers suspiciously at that paw, wondering about its vague claw-i-ness*
Anyway, happy birthday for last Sunday :)
ttfn, Nicola
---
Nicola Collie mailto:nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz
"If I'm wrong you can say "I told you so", provided you speak loudly
and quickly."
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 09:16:00 +1200
From: Nicola Collie <nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz>
To: B7-list <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Jenna
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Judith said:
>What do people think of the way Jenna was written in the series?
I think she had some great moments, but there was a lot of untapped
potential. Clearly the scriptwriters couldn't give equal time to all of the
characters, and the development of Jenna (among others) suffered as a
result.
>Which were her best and worst episodes?
My favourite Jenna ep is Bounty, and I also like some of her comments in
Breakdown. Although I would have liked her to deck (perhaps verbally) the
guy who called her a "pretty girl".
>I liked her greatly in Spacefall when she whispers something in Raiker's
>ear and
>stands back with a half-smile to await his reaction. Any bets as to what she
>said?
Love this scene, too. Of the possible quotes Judith offered
>"I prefer men."
made me chuckle the loudest.
I also like this exhange (from Shadow):
JENNA: It's enough to fry your eyeballs.
AVON: Daintily put.
JENNA: It must be the company I keep.
and later that scene:
AVON: It could have been frying eyeballs you heard.
JENNA: Daintily put.
Jenna turning Avon's line back on him (and the smile on her face as she
does it) demonstrates, to me, her clever wit. A pity we couldn't have seen
more of that. Perhaps if we had, Sally (and hence Jenna) would have been in
the S3 cast, too. But where would that leave the Tarrant Nostra? ;)
ttfn, Nicola
---
Nicola Collie mailto:nicola.collie@stonebow.otago.ac.nz
"If I'm wrong you can say "I told you so", provided you speak loudly
and quickly."
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 23:47:28 +0100
From: "Jenni-Alison" <Jenni-Alison@dial.pipex.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Hamlet and B7 - very, very long
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Rob suggested parallels between Blake and Hamlet which appealed to me
greatly, since "Hamlet" is my favorite Shakespearean play. However I do not
agree that the personalities of these two are the same, although their
circumstances do bear some similarities to one another.
Hamlet is a tragic hero. To be a tragic hero one must not merely be a
participant in a tragedy, but be the character who could have resolved the
issue had he not possesed within him one tragic flaw. In Hamlet this tragic
flaw is clearly present; his tendency to rationalise and ponder rather than
take decisive action to challenge his uncle and kill him. Taking this
action would have resolved the entire situation, although of course it
wouldn't have been much of a play. Although Blake is a complex character,
he does not have this single flaw and his death at Gauda Prime would not
have been avoided simply by changing one facet of his character. It is
precisely because of the changes which occur in him over the seasons of
Blakes 7 that he is killed by Avon. His lack of trust, his unclear
communication and his secretive manner with Tarrant, whom he knew was with
Avon all contribute to his death.
Blake is an idealist. He fights the Federation because it is wrong and
oppressive, to free the oppressed, drugged masses. He does not fight for
personal or selfish reasons (although he has reason enough to do so) but
for a cause, a greater purpose. We know this because he was a committed
rebel even before the Federation killed his family
"Four Years ago...there were many activist groups. But the only one that
really meant anything was lead by Roj Blake. You and I worked together. We
were outlawed and hunted, but we had supporters and we were making
progress."
-Bran Foster, The Way Back.
Hamlet is motivated in his task purely be revenge
"That I, with wings as swift
As meditation or the thoughts of love,
May sweep to my revenge"
Act 1 scene IV
The wrong done to him and his father is personal, and nowhere in the play
is there any indication that Claudius makes a bad King, in spite of his
murder of his brother. Hamlet hates him personally because of Claudius'
relationship with his mother, and not due to any higher considerations.
Thus his motives are in a sense selfish, where Blakes are not.
Hamlet also allows circumstances to rob him of the perfect opportunity to
kill Claudius, either through a moral objection to killing on holy ground
or because he feels that this death would shrive Claudius of his crimes,
allowing him into heaven.
" Now might I do it pat, now he is praying:
And now I'll do it...
Why this is hire and salary, not revenge."
"This physic bu prolongs thy sickly days"
Act III Scene III
Blake is clear about his goals, and neither circumstance, morals nor the
blandishments of his crew will turn him from them. For example Pressure
Point where he will do anything to reach central control, even if he must
act without his crew.
Gan: "Do you think you can do it alone?"
Blake "I'd rather not try. But if I have to I will not be alone."
In this remorseless purposeful pursuit of his goal Blake is more
remeniscent of Laertes, the son of Polonius and brother of Ophelia. Laertes
too has relatives to revenge.
"And so have I a noble father lost;
A sister driven into desperate terms,"
Act IV Scene VII
Blake's relatives are, coincidentally, almost the same:
"You're mother and sister are both dead...they were executed four years ago
just after your trial"
-Bran Foster, The Way Back
Laertes' pursuit of his vengance against Hamlet goes against all the moral
imperatives of the time, he is indeed prepared
"to cut his throat i' the Church."
Act IV Scene VII
Blake's reaction to Cally when she questions the moral rightness of their
actions echoes this single mindedness, the willingness to do any deed to
reach the desired goal.
Cally: "Many, many people will die without Star One."
Blake "I know."
Cally: "Are you sure that what we're doing is justified?"
Blake: "It has to be....We have to win. It's the only way that I can be
sure I was right."
If a Blakes 7 character is similar in nature to Hamlet than it is Avon.
Hamlet's wish to avoid his destined role to resolve his fathers murder is
most reminiscent of Avons resentment of his involvement in Blake's cause.
"The time is out of joint; O cursed spite,
That ever I was born to set it right"
Act I, SceneIV
Also, Hamlet is a scholar who could have been crowned King once his father
died (probably would have shortened his lifespan by a gnats whisper!) but
instead wishes to return to university
"For your intent
In going back to school in Witttenburg"
Act I Scene II
which reminds me strongly of Avon's study of the sopron in "Harvest of
Kairos".
The strongest similarity between Avon and Hamlet comes when comparing their
reaction to killing an innocent bystander. Avon, in "Stardrive" is directly
responsible for the death of Dr Plaxton, but his cold, pragmatic attitude
to her death
Dayna: "What about Dr Plaxton?"
Avon: "Who?"
is every bit a callous as Hamlets words when, having just stabbed Pollonius
to death, he is disposing of the body
"this counsellor
Is now most still, most secret, and most grave,
Who was in life a foolish prating knave."
Act III Scene IV
If we take Blake as Laertes and Avon as Hamlet, the finale of the play is
most appropriate. After Laertes wounds Hamlet with the poisoned blade,
Hamlet wounds Laertes with that same blade. Blake could be said to have
been responsible for Avons death in some sense, since his lack of
communication with Liberator had brought Avon seeking him. However, just as
ultimately 6 people die because of Hamlet's errors of judgement (Polonius,
Ophelia, Laertes, Claudius, Gertude and Hamlet himself), Avon, ironically,
is responsible for the same number of rebels killed at Gauda Prime (Blake,
Dayna, Vila, Soolin, Tarrant and Avon himself) also through errors of
judgement.
Sorry for the length of the post - it just got out of control!
Jenni
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 08:33:14 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] "Navigating the SC Sector"
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The people who are distressed because nobody replies to their posts are almost
inevitably people who don't reply to/encourage the posts of other newcomers.
If you treat others how you wish to be treated yourself, then you will find any
communication problem rapidly solves itself. The new fans you welcome will be as
glad to hear from you as you would have been to hear from them.
There's also no reason not to join in ongoing conversations. If there is a
discussion on a subject that interests you, join in. People are more likely to
respond to posts that are related to something that is already being discussed.
There are several hundred members on this list. If we all said hello every time
a new fan joined, then the list would be swamped with messages.
What's wrong with people lurking? I'm a frequent poster myself, but I'm well
aware that there are times when I lurk when I'm tired or busy and many other
people have far less free time than I do.
If nobody replies to a post of mine, I don't particularly worry. For instance,
I posted a note about Jenna this morning. I've no idea if people will pick up
on it or not. It may start a conversation that will run for weeks, or it may be
that nobody feels like talking about Jenna today. If people don't want to talk
about Jenna, then I'll find something else to chat about. I don't assume that
people are ignoring me - I simply assume that some might have been interested,
but were too busy to reply, and that others might have been interested but felt
that they had nothing original to add. Others simply weren't interested in the
topic - that means the topic, not me. (It may be that they love me or hate me,
but that has little to do with whether people reply to a message or not)
Judith
PS. Stefi, you're a good writer. Yours was the most creative way of
complaining about lack of replies that I've seen. Nice Vila too.
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 08:29:30 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] "Navigating the SC Sector"
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"Well?" Avon said.
"Well is not a question!" everyone chorused.
Avon just glared.
"I have completed my analysis of Lysator message traffic," Orac said.
"And?" Avon prompted.
"Soolin's complaints are incorrect."
"What do you mean, incorrect?" Soolin exclaimed, leaping to her feet.
"We've posted, we haven't gotten any replies. That's a *fact*!"
"Your hypothesis as to the reasons for these observed phenomena is not
supported by the evidence," Orac said. "While a superficial and
incomplete analysis may lead to the conclusion that new posters are
ignored and long-time posters are not, if you proceed with the
analysis on a post-by-post basis, then there is a far higher
correspondence with volume and the Stott Interest Index, than with the
length of time an individual has been posting."
"Could you explain that in real words?" Vila asked.
"I have been using real words," Orac said. "Just because you are
incapable of understanding the language of precision..."
"What's the Stott Interest Index?" Soolin asked.
"The Stott Interest Index is the measure of "interestingness" of a
work of prose," Orac said. "To explain in terms that even Vila will
understand, if a post is interesting, it will be replied to. And if
there is a greater volume of interesting posts, then more of them will
be replied to. Of course there are other factors such as the
volume-negative-feedback loop, the timezone differences, the influence
of climate and public and private holidays..."
"The influence of climate?" Dayna repeated sceptically.
"If certain members of the list are experiencing extremes of weather,
such as heatwaves or tornados, weather is more likely to be one of the
topics of discussion," Orac explained. "Though Weather Control was
last dicussed 3.8 years ago, and not in relation to any particular
local weather phenomena. Tarriel Cells were last discussed -"
"We don't need an analysis of the frequency of various topics, Orac,"
Avon said.
"The frequency of the discussion of Tarriel Cells is of great interest
to me," Orac said.
"If they aren't discussing Tarriel Cells enough for you," Blake
interrupted, "then why don't you start a discussion yourself?"
"They appear to have exhausted this topic already. The Stott Index on
Tarriel cells is very low."
"You never know 'til you try," Blake said with a smile.
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Date: Tue, 28 Jul 1998 21:12:58 -0700
From: "Doug Lagomarsino" <deltaman@hooked.net>
To: "Blake's 7 Mail List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] "Navigating the SC Sector"
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RE: [B7L] "Navigating the SC Sector"
...by StefiAB@aol.com ...
How very entertaining. Personally, I felt the
characterizations were spot on. I actually felt
I was listening to the characters and not reading
a story. Not canon mind you, but very entertaining.
I actually chuckled out loud a few times on the train
into San Francisco this morning (really).
The only disconcerting part was that I couldn't lock
in a time-frame in my mind without ORAC or Slave being
part of the story.
I have to confess it took me all day to figure out what
the initials "SC" stand for. I guess I'm just a "PG" guy
living in an "R" rated world.
All in all, I find StefiAB neither oversensitive nor a newbie :)
Good job and thanks !
Doug Lagomarsino
deltaman@hooked.net
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:28:53 +-200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Servalan's Snakes
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Jackie Taylor wrote:
Now I can see Servalan wearing a defanged, de-venomed Gaboon Viper as a
costume accessory, if it weren't too bulky.
[Jacqueline Thijsen] If Servalan was wearing it, it wouldn't have to be defanged. She is far more dangerous than any snake.
> Or she could wear a simple non-lethal garden snake, but it wouldn't be
nearly as impressive.
[Jacqueline Thijsen] Servalan would never bother with anything non-lethal. By the way, between all those Avon and Tarrant defenders and opposers, are there any Servalan fans out there? I know she's a bad guy (or gal, whatever) but for some reason I have always admired her. And not just because she was played by another Jacqueline.
Bye,
Jacqueline
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Date: 29 Jul 1998 10:50:19 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <qdtcall@esavionics.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Servalan's Snakes
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Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl> writes:
(By the way, you have a very peculiar quoting style. What program are
you using?)
> Servalan would never bother with anything non-lethal.
I can really see her going out like Cleopatra if things got bad.
> By the way, between all those Avon and Tarrant defenders and
> opposers, are there any Servalan fans out there?
If you were on Space City you wouldn't have to ask :-)
> I know she's a bad guy (or gal, whatever) but for some reason I have
> always admired her.
She's not a badguy, she's the hero. She must be, she's the only one of
the regulars still alive at the end of the series ;-)
--
Calle Dybedahl, UNIX Sysadmin
qdtcall@esavionics.se http://www.lysator.liu.se/~calle/
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 10:50:32 +0100 (BST)
From: mjsmith@tcd.ie (Murray)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Jenna
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Dear Nicola,
I liked Jenna's portrayal in 'Bounty', but my favourite episode with
her in it has to be 'Hostage'. Not only do she and Cally have to rescue the
men from the mess they got themselves into; they do it in such a spectacular
and explosive fashion, scattering Molok to the solar winds! The exchange in
'Shadow' was also good, and I loved the exchange between her and Renor in
'Breakdown'. In the latter case, I thought she did deck him verbally a
little, but I'm sure she remembered the fact that, however obnoxious, he was
one of the team that was trying to save Gan's life. I read a very good
B7/ST:Original Series corssover where Jim Kirk tries to chat her up, but she
quickly tells him where to get off, calling him an amateur!
I was disappointed when I first saw Jenna, because of my experience
of 'Star Wars'. As a smuggler, I expected a female Han Solo. (In fact I can
see her with a Wookie sidekick, drinking in the cantina and frying Greedo,
although Princess Leia might prove a problem!) Sadly, her limited portrayal,
plus Sally Knyvette's looks, made me think Jenna to be just an empty-headed
blonde (the word 'bimbo' was not part of my vocabulary when I was nine).
Looking back at the episodes now, however, I think that there are some good
scenes where she is a strong character, although I agree that her potential
was wasted.
Murray Smith
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:16:00 +1000
From: Taina Nieminen <taina@netspace.net.au>
To: B7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Blake and Avon
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Hi all,
I started wondering the other night (I've just quit smoking so my mind
wanders onto some bizarre things) about whether there is any correlation
between liking cats/Avon and dogs/Blake. I know that I am a cat-person
rather than a dog-person, and I prefer Avon to Blake. I also thought
about loyalty, cats and dogs and Avon and Blake - dogs aren't
necessarily more loyal than cats (even though some people think so) but
cats don't give their loyalty as easily as dogs. And Blake certainly
gave his loyalty much more easily than Avon, although Avon, once having
given his loyalty, would do anything for that person.
Then, there's the obvious difference - dogs are group animals, Blake is
a group person, cats are loners and so is Avon.
I can't think of anymore at the moment. Anyone else have any thoughts on
this?
Taina
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 05:10:33 PDT
From: "Don Trower" <gammablue@hotmail.com>
To: space-city@world.std.com
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Cheetos Ad
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I'm sure I heard Peter (Orac) Tuddeman (Spelling ? Too lazy to look it
up) on the radio last week talking about office furniture, maybe
Project.
Don.
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:40:26 +0100
From: Julia Jones <Julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Horizon newsletter
Message-ID: <z1bW3HA6gxv1EwBE@jajones.demon.co.uk>
Just been skimming the latest Horizon newsletter. The new layout looks
pretty good, and I * love* the poster :-)
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 14:09:03 +0000
From: Katharine Woods <kjw@whitecrow.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] (Temporary) farewell and assorted comments
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Sorry for the combined reply but RL is dictating that I'm going to have
to unsubscribe to this list temporarily, within the next week. I'll be
starting a new contract in Edinburgh and won't be home often enough to
cope with the volume from the mailing list. I hope to set up another
account to use in Edinburgh and I'll be resubscribing when I do.
I'm sorry that Stefi had the bad experience she did although it was a
very clever way to say farewell.
Some behind-the-times comments.
Alison Page wrote:
> I must say I would never have even have called myself a fan without the
> Internet. I wouldn't have dreamed of going to a convention like Deliverance
> without having got to know people first through these mailing lists.
I have to second that. If it hadn't been for this list, I'd not have
gone to Who's 7 96 or Deliverance and I had such a great time at both.
I'm looking forward to Redemption.
I thought that everyone on Lost In Space had great camera presence and
represented us well. Richard Proctor's transcript and pictures on
Jusith's website are great.
I'm Leo-Virgo cusp too (23rd and about to hit 30 - shall we raise
glasses together on the 22nd, fifitrix?) which means I can roar loudly
and then worry about making too much noise and disturbing the
neighbours. Flamboyant - well, my latest acquisition is a bright
golden-yellow pair of DMs with embossed fkower pattern so do these
count?
Judith Proctor wrote some comments on Jenna:
I like her first appearance. She's very confident and calm and I think
that's show by how casually she moves in to Blake's body space. She also
believes his story of being innocent, whereas Vila is sarcastic about
it, and I wonder how much of that is due to what she knew of him before.
In fact, I think she's good in the first three episodes. I think she
responds to Avon's put-down about her new clothes well and I like the
fact that in Cygnus Alpha, she's prepared to wait for Blake but not
forever.
Bounty is a good one and also Shadow. I think that by this stage she and
Cally have become friends and that any relationship she's had with Blake
is no longer sexual, as evinced by her sitting close to Cally and her
response to Avon in the brief scene on the flight deck. This of course
makes Blake's flirting with Inga in Hostage pointless - I don't think
Jenna is annoyed by the flirting but with Blake for thinking that she'll
react to it.
I wish more had been done with her relationship with Zen. I think that
was very overlooked by the scriptwriters. I like her swift decision to
send a message to the Federation in Star One which I think proves she's
no mere blind follower of rebellion.
As for what she said to Raiker, I vote for "I prefer men." too. I wonder
if it were ever discussed in rehearsal what that line should be or if an
actual line ever appeared in the script.
Sadly signing off soon.
Katharine (Woods)
kjw@whitecrow.demon.co.uk
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:17:11 +-200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: "blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Servalan's Snakes
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Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl> writes:
(By the way, you have a very peculiar quoting style. What program are
you using?)
[Jacqueline Thijsen] I'm using microsoft outlook and I don't really like the quoting style, either. But it's a company computer, so I don't want to do too much fiddling with the settings.
> Servalan would never bother with anything non-lethal.
I can really see her going out like Cleopatra if things got bad.
[Jacqueline Thijsen] Only partly. She might kill herself, but she'd make sure that as many as possible of her enemies would go with her.
Which means one hell of a big bomb or something.
> By the way, between all those Avon and Tarrant defenders and
> opposers, are there any Servalan fans out there?
If you were on Space City you wouldn't have to ask :-)
[Jacqueline Thijsen] Dang. I intend to go on space city, but for the rest of this year I have only limited access to e-mail. (OK, I can get as much of it as I want, but if I spend too much time on it, my boss will start frowning at me.) And I've gotten so hooked on lysator that I'm afraid that once I get to know space city, I won't want to miss it anymore. So I'm going to figuratively stick my head in the sand and ignore space city until next year (sigh).
> I know she's a bad guy (or gal, whatever) but for some reason I have
> always admired her.
She's not a badguy, she's the hero. She must be, she's the only one of
the regulars still alive at the end of the series ;-)
[Jacqueline Thijsen] I can just see her riding off into the sunset on a white horse :-).
Bye,
Jacqueline
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 18:12:00 +0100 (BST)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@mail.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Othello and B7
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I've often thought the relationship between Othello and Iago was very
similar to that between Blake and Avon. It's not a perfect correspondence,
of course, but in each case we have a fearless, respected, natural leader
and a devious, intelligent right-hand man who are bound together in ways
perhaps neither of them fully understands.
Inspired by the Hamlet discussion, I looked through "Othello" last night,
and found all sorts of connections. To wit:
Iago comes out with all sorts of lines that could easily be said by Avon.
In Act 1 Scene 1,
IAGO: In following him, I follow but myself;
Heaven is my judge, not I for love and duty,
But seeming so, for my peculiar end:
For when my outward action doth demonstrate
The native act and figure of my heart
In compliment extern, 'tis not long after
But I will wear my heart upon my sleeve
For daws to peck at: I am not what I am.
and in Act 1 Scene 3
IAGO: If the balance of our lives had not one scale of reason to poise
another of sensuality, the blood and baseness of our natures would conduct
us to most preposterous conclusions; but we have reason to cool our raging
motions, our carnal stings, our unbitted lusts...
As for Othello, Iago describes him in Avonish terms in Act 1 Scene 1
IAGO: Another of his fathom have they none,
To lead their business; in which regard,
Though I do hate him as I do hell-pains,
Yet, for necessity of present life,
I must show out a flag and sign of love,
Which is indeed but sign.
and Othello's declaration in Act 1 Scene 2 echo's Blake's desire to make a
statement in open court
OTHELLO: My parts, my title and my perfect soul
Shall manifest me rightly.
Iago's relationship with Roderigo is reminiscent of Avon and Vila
IAGO: For I mine own gain'd knowledge should profane,
If I would time expend with such a snipe
But for my sport and profit.
but the most striking similarity is between Cassio and Tarrant. Iago
describes Cassio in these terms in Act 1 Scene 3
IAGO: He hath a person and a smooth dispose
To be suspected; framed to make women false.
and in Act 2 Scene 1
IAGO: Sir, he is rash and very sudden in choler, and haply may strike at
you...
And if you're still not convinced, try Iago's description of Cassio in Act
2 Scene 1, which I was delighted to find:
IAGO: Besides, the knave is handsome, young, and hath all those
requisites in him that folly and green minds look after; a pestilent,
complete knave!
Iain
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 11:07:31 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Horizon
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The new issue of Horizon arrived in the post this morning. Looks good. I like
the new cover layout.
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 17:24:12 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
To: Space City <Space-city@world.std.com>
cc: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Costumes for sale
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There's a pull out sheet in Horizon with details of several original costumes
being auctioned by Rory Hull.
They include Blake's shirt and tabard from the first three episodes (reserve
£120), Cally's costume form 'Moloch' (reserve £250) and an interesting selection
of non-character outfits from other episodes.
Bids have to be in by August 15 for phone bids, or 22 August for
written/e-mail.fax bids.
I haven't yet looked at Horizon's web page to see if the details are also there
(it's peak rate phone time as I'm typing this).
Given the time constraints, overseas fans may not have their copy of Horizon
before the deadline (Not Horion's fault - it says that Rory needs the money
quickly). If the details aren't on the web page and you want to know more, ask
and I'll try and type it all in.
I'm sorely tempted by that Blake outfit myself, but I'm not sure I can afford
the reserve even though I think it's worth it.
Judith
--
http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
Redemption 99 - The Blakes 7/Babylon 5 convention
26-28 February 1999, Ashford International Hotel, Kent
http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:37:17 -0400
From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Navigating the SC Sector
Message-ID: <199807291737.NAA11366@yfn.ysu.edu>
Jenni wrote:
>Rob, your follow up is brilliant. It's so funny, I even forgive you for
>calling Tarrant "a big drink of water". Water is after all an honest,
>straightforward drink which you can always count on to do its job well.
>Clear, refreshing, and on a hot day who can resist a nice cold glass of
>water, beads of condensation running down its smooth sides, sunlight
>gleaming on it's smooth flawless surface, reach out to grasp it, run it
>across overheated skin, lick the cool sides......
<pant, pant> Trust Jenni to turn a glass of water into an erotic
experience. I hope she'll use this in a story. Get him in the
shower, caught in the rain, doused with a sprinkler system.
Carol Mc
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 13:33:19 -0400
From: ay648@yfn.ysu.edu (Carol A. McCoy)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Jenna
Message-ID: <199807291733.NAA11061@yfn.ysu.edu>
Nicola wrote:
>>"I prefer men."
>
>made me chuckle the loudest.
Oh, yes. That was a zinger. I hope it *is* what Jenna said.
Good one, Judith.
>more of that. Perhaps if we had, Sally (and hence Jenna) would have been in
>the S3 cast, too. But where would that leave the Tarrant Nostra? ;)
We would never have existed. Doesn't that make you all want to weep? ;-)
Or...possibly...Hal's child would have been a son and we would have
had Del Mellanby, the weapon's expert. Also played by Steven,
of course.
Jenni, that was a most impressive Hamlet-B7 analogy. Wow.
Kathryn, I enjoyed your "Navigating" story. :)
Katharine, sniff, bye for now. I hope you can return soon.
For those not on Space-City, I've been writing up reports on my
trip to England and posting them there. I haven't cross-posted
them here because they've been so long (and I didn't want duplicate
mega-posts going to the many people who belong to both lists). If
any of you would like to see them, let me know and I'll forward
them via private e-mail. To sum up the trip in three sentences:
It couldn't have been better. The play and Steven's performance
were fantastic. I got to meet many fan friends, who couldn't
have been more fun, kind and welcoming.
Carol Mc
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 20:29:12 +0100
From: "Julie Horner" <jihorner@dial.pipex.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon NL
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From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
>The new issue of Horizon arrived in the post this morning. Looks good. I
like
>the new cover layout.
>
So did I but I am disappointed to find my copy is missing pages
17 to 32 and 65 to 80.
To compensate I have got pages 1 to 16 and
81 to 96 twice!
Diane - Help!!
Julie Horner
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