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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 47
Today's Topics:
RE: [B7L] Servalan or Not Servalan?
[B7L] B7 on BBC
Re: [B7L] Servalan or Not Servalan?
Re: [B7L] Servalan or Not Servalan?
Re: [B7L] Servalan or Not Servalan?
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #45
[B7L] Aftermath
Re: [B7L] B7 on BBC
[B7L] Re: B7 on BBC
RE: [B7L] B7 on BBC
Re: [B7L] Space Fall
Re: [B7L] Servalan or Not Servalan?
Lost episodes (was: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #45)
[B7L] Re: Space Fall
Re: [B7L] Space Fall
[B7L] ETA Cygnus Alpha
Re: [B7L] Space Fall
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 19:01:39 -0000
From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com>
To: "'B7 Lysator'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Servalan or Not Servalan?
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Michael Bailey wrote:
>I don't think Avon wanted to die at the end of the series. Remember, he
>was the one who would abandon the crew and set of to the stars by >himself
in the Liberator with ORAC.
The Avon I remember was the one who thought about leaving on his own but
didn't.
Incidentally, I don't think Avon _wanted_ to die. He was a practical
person, however, and at that moment his options boiled down to:
1) shoot it out with a large number of Feds and die
2) surrender to the Feds, be interrogated and then die
I believe he chose the first option. I don't believe Servalan would be
stupid enough to walk into the room before Avon was disarmed - not when all
his friends had just been shot, and not when he had just shot Blake.
Louise
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 20:00:31 +0000
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@mcr1.poptel.org.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] B7 on BBC
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Sigh, here we go. Any hope that this may be a continuous run of B7 has
been dashed after only two episodes. The announcer said at the end at
the end that it'll be back in two weeks. I suspect we'll have to get
used to this, being knocked off anytime they can think of something
'better' to put on.
The version of Space Fall they showed was the one with the cut to Avon's
fight scene in the computer room.
--
cheers
Steve Rogerson
http://homepages.poptel.org.uk/steve.rogerson
"In my world, there are people in chains and you can ride them like
ponies"
The alternative Willow, Buffy the Vampire Slayer
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:17:28 -0500
From: Michael Bailey <michaelabailey@netzero.net>
To: Prmolloy@aol.com, "Blake's 7 Mailing List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Servalan or Not Servalan?
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Prmolloy@aol.com wrote:
> Yes, so he said. The thing with Avon is that his actions very often belied
> his words.
Yes. It makes the series so good doesn't it?
Michael
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:19:20 -0500
From: Michael Bailey <michaelabailey@netzero.net>
To: Sally Manton <smanton@hotmail.com>,
"Blake's 7 Mailing List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Servalan or Not Servalan?
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Sally Manton wrote:
> Michael wrote:
> <I don't think Avon wanted to die at the end of the series. Remember, he was
> the one who would abandon the crew and set of to the stars by himself in the
> Liberator with ORAC.>
>
> In Horizon, right? You will notice that he couldn't…quite…talk himself into
> it…
>
> I don't think he specifically wanted to die (although – given the distraught
> emotional state that made him want to protect Blake's body - it wouldn't be
> impossible *just for that particular moment*) but it was the best option he
> had at that minute. No ship, no people, no hope - and yes, the Federation
> would probably have killed him. Even Servalan; their last encounter was in
> Warlord, remember? "Send me his corpse." She'd just have ripped whatever
> information she could out of him before quite literally 'disposing' of him
> IMO.
>
> Avon believed that Blake was dead – if the others fleetingly touched his
> thoughts (he doesn't even look around to see *after* he's come out of the
> semi-trance) he probably believed them all dead – and he had no way out. A
> quick death was simply the best of his limited options at that moment…
>
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Even though I don't agree with you... I really have to say that is a very
interresting synopsis of what you think happened.
In my opinion, I think everyone did die. Just for a special reason.
Michael
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:23:04 -0500
From: Michael Bailey <michaelabailey@netzero.net>
To: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com>,
"Blake's 7 Mailing List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Servalan or Not Servalan?
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Louise Rutter wrote:
> Michael Bailey wrote:
>
> >I don't think Avon wanted to die at the end of the series. Remember, he
> >was the one who would abandon the crew and set of to the stars by >himself
> in the Liberator with ORAC.
>
> The Avon I remember was the one who thought about leaving on his own but
> didn't.
>
> Incidentally, I don't think Avon _wanted_ to die. He was a practical
> person, however, and at that moment his options boiled down to:
> 1) shoot it out with a large number of Feds and die
> 2) surrender to the Feds, be interrogated and then die
>
> I believe he chose the first option. I don't believe Servalan would be
> stupid enough to walk into the room before Avon was disarmed - not when all
> his friends had just been shot, and not when he had just shot Blake.
>
> Louise
Well I think Servalan really liked Avon. I think she just had to see him before
he died. Anyways, weren't her guards supposed to shoot him first like in
"Gold"?
Michael
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 21:44:08 -0000
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #45
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>Una said:
>> Anyone out there a real 'Aftermath' aficionado?
From: Helen Krummenacker
>Possibly you will think I'm very sad for this, but, YES!
Well said Helen. I like Aftermath too. I have also been known to regret the
loss of the episode between Star One and Aftermath
Andrew
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 23:18:01 +0100
From: Angria@t-online.de (Tanja Kinkel)
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Aftermath
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> >Una asked:
> >> Anyone out there a real 'Aftermath' aficionado?
>
>
> From: Helen Krummenacker
> >Possibly you will think I'm very sad for this, but, YES!
Me too!
Tanja
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 23:23:27 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] B7 on BBC
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In message <38AEF65D.74ACB4AB@mcr1.poptel.org.uk>, Steve Rogerson
<steve.rogerson@mcr1.poptel.org.uk> writes
>The version of Space Fall they showed was the one with the cut to Avon's
>fight scene in the computer room.
What was cut? It had the ear-boxing scene.
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 00:05:49 +0000
From: Steve Rogerson <steve.rogerson@mcr1.poptel.org.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: B7 on BBC
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Oops, it shows how long it was since I watched the compilation tape The
Beginning, my only source of the uncut fight scene (I never saw it first
time round live, I joined part way through S2). Having read the comments
at the end of the previous digest, I went back and rechecked, and yes
the fight scene was uncut today. I, for some reason, thought that when
he first attacks the technician and knocks him down, there was an extra
punch there, because if you look at it, it seems as if he is about to
and then it cuts sharply to the flight deck. Oh well, looks like I had
an unjustified go at the beeb - sorry if you're lurking, Sue or anyone
else from Auntie!
--
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ponies"
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 00:21:09 -0000
From: "Andy Hopkinson" <andyrh@netcomuk.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] B7 on BBC
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Sigh, here we go. Any hope that this may be a continuous run of B7 has
been dashed after only two episodes. The announcer said at the end at
the end that it'll be back in two weeks. I suspect we'll have to get
used to this, being knocked off anytime they can think of something
'better' to put on.
The version of Space Fall they showed was the one with the cut to Avon's
fight scene in the computer room.
--
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Steve Rogerson
Sorry Steve but you are wrong. The episode of SpaceFall that was shown today
was in fact the uncut version, with the scene of Avon clapping his opponent
about the ears intact!
Alan Stevens & Andy Hopkinson.
"It's only half past eight!"
The Logic of Empire.
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 17:31:37 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Julia wrote:
<I was bouncing around the living room, yelling:-) He *is* a vicious little
bugger, isn't he?>
I watched it on video (sort of in sympathy? Okay, any excuse, I love
Spacefall)…'tis a wonderful early moment for those of us who adore him for
the right bastard he is…
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 17:32:29 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Michael wrote:
<Even though I don't agree with you... I really have to say that is a very
interresting synopsis of what you think happened.>
<grin> s'alright, if everyone agreed with even one of my Firm Opinions, I'd
keel over from the shock…one thing that will become blinding obvious as you
keep reading is that I'm one of them that see *everything* that happens in
the series as backdrop for Avon and Blake (this is not at all easy with
Sarcophagus -> DeathWatch, but I'll keep working on it). I'm fascinated by
quite a lot of the other relationships (Avon-Vila, Blake-Vila, Blake-Travis,
Avon-Soolin, Gan-everyone except Cally…unfortunately, Avon-Servalan is *not*
one of them) but I'm one of Una's Account 2 types with a vengeance - the
whole Andromedan War is almost purely fodder for "I have always trusted
you…"
<In my opinion, I think everyone did die.>
Actually, I have come to the happy decision that Harriet was right in
<she was cruising some not-too-distant part of the galaxy, tuned in to the
news, screamed 'Oh sh...' and flew straight to Gauda Prime at standard by
maximum>
…And crashed into something (a stray asteroid, an even strayer ship – I
know, a DSV no one knew about!) on the way, so she is dead too (well, you
said *everyone* <g>). And Orac had that nice little self-destruct program
Avon installed for Moments Like These, which makes the whole thing nice and
neat.
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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 17:33:49 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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Andrew wrote:
<I like Aftermath too. I have also been known to regret the loss of the
episode between Star One and Aftermath.>
Yes!!! And the one between Voice from the Past and Gambit.
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 06:49:47 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Space Fall
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Alison wrote:
>This is how I privately see it (I know nobody else will agree
>but here goes) an 'elder race' of awesome power which no
>longer interacts with the physical world all that much
>nevertheless has 'our' galaxy as its home.
...
>But now its home is under threat from the Andromedans. So it
> effortlessly marshals the pawns at its disposal to eliminate that threat.
Good heavens, you mean it was the Vorlons all along? Were they the gods
who gave the Auronar telepathy?
Harriet
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 11:39:11 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
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In message <20000220013137.3089.qmail@hotmail.com>, Sally Manton
<smanton@hotmail.com> writes
>I watched it on video (sort of in sympathy? Okay, any excuse, I love
>Spacefall)
Ok, hands up, how many of the Brits were getting an extra kick out of
knowing they were watching it at the same time as everyone else? We'll
have to put the time up on Friday night so the geographically challenged
know when to put a tape on.
>…'tis a wonderful early moment for those of us who adore him for
>the right bastard he is…
Oh, so true:-)
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 10:02:50 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>,
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Curious to know why the BBC2 announcer had predicted a two-week gap before
the next episode of the Great Reshowing, I looked in the TV guides that
came with my Sunday papers this morning and was surprised to find that both
claimed Blake's 7 would be shown on Feb 26 at 1.45 p.m. (there being some
tennis at 4 p.m.) So I've just rung the BBC information line, and a very
friendly lady said that, while they didn't actually have a Radio Times in
the office at the moment, she'd look on the net, which should be up to
date; after doing this, she said it definitely wasn't on for Feb 26, and
March 4 was too far ahead for her to say anything. We concluded that the
Sunday papers were working from an earlier schedule which got scrapped.
Summary: March 4 still looks likeliest date for the rendezvous chez Vargas.
Harriet
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 17:07:10 -0000
From: "Julie Horner" <jihorner@dial.pipex.com>
To: "Julia Jones" <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>,
<blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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From: "Julia Jones" <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
> Ok, hands up, how many of the Brits were getting an extra kick out of
> knowing they were watching it at the same time as everyone else?
Knowing my nearest and dearest would pour scorn on me for
watching it on TV when I have the full set of videos, I had to
pretend that I was outside cleaning the car. Then I sneaked back in
to the unoccupied living room and watched a bit with the door
shut and the sound low. Eventually my cover was blown by
my 4 year old, whose persistent questions (Why is it a space ship?
Why did that man hit that lady, why are the seats black..) forced
me back outside with the chammy leather.
Julie Horner
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