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blakes7-d Digest				Volume 00 : Issue 29

Today's Topics:
	 Re: [B7L] Motivations and Justifications (Part One)
	 Re: [B7L] Motivations and Justifications (Part Three)
	 Re: [B7L] WuNames
	 Re: [B7L] Re: Fan Types
	 Re: [B7L] Re:  Fan Q eligibles
	 [B7L] Re: Wu Names
	 Re: [B7L] WuNames
	 Re: [B7L] WuNames
	 Re: [B7L] Motivations and Justifications (Part One)
	 Re: [B7L] WuNames
	 Re: [B7L] WuNames
	 Re: [B7L] Motivations and Justifications (Part One)
	 [B7L] B7 Westerns
	 Re: [B7L] Re: Wu Names
	 Re: b7spin: b7spin: Re: [B7L] WuNames
	 Re: [B7L] Re: Wu Names
	 Re: [B7L] Motivations and Justifications (Part One - well, I 
			didn't mean to         ramble)
	 [B7L] Sorry for posting to the wrong list.
	 Re: [B7L] WuNames
	 Re: [B7L] WuNames
	 Re: [B7L] Motivations and Justifications (Part One - well, I didn't mean to ramble)
	 Re: [B7L] WuNames
	 RE: [B7L] WuNames
	 Re: [B7L] WuNames
	 Re: [B7L] WuNames
	 Re: [B7L] WuNames
	 Re: [B7L] WuNames
	 [B7L] Fan Q nominations
	 [B7L] review of 12th Night
	 Re: [B7L] Motivations and Justifications (Part One)
	 Re: [B7L] WuNames

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Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:03:39 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Motivations and Justifications (Part One)
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Mistral wrote:
<I cannot tell you the number of times I've watched/heard people tie 
themselves in knots trying to reconcile the ideas that [1] they knew the 
difference between right and wrong; [2] the way to choose right laws is to 
vote on them; [3] they knew that a certain law was wrong. Simply because 
they assumed that the majority of people would *substantially* agree about 
what right and wrong are. It isn't so.

Actually, the *worst* thing that ever happened to my own faith in my ability 
to define right and wrong reading a slim little volume called Malleus 
Malificarum (The Hammer of Witches) - the definitive (17th or 18th century) 
guidebook on how to discover/interrogate/destroy witches. One of only two 
historical texts I have never been able to finish. Horrible...but, according 
to the overwhelming prevailing beliefs of the time, right in every moral 
sense of the word.

I do have beliefs that I hold dear (very very few that I consider immutable, 
and even less that do not have to be considered in context) but after 
reading that (as part of a fairly hefty project into that outbreak of bloody 
morality-gone-mad), I had to accept that my own standards could be seen as 
just as misguided and wrong (if, hopefully, not as plain evil) by future 
generations with different social/historical contexts and different values. 
(Victorian sexual morality, anyone?)

It all comes down to "it all depends..."

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Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 17:04:54 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Motivations and Justifications (Part Three)
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TigerM wrote:
<I see no evidence that Blake intends to force others to live their lives on 
his terms once the Federation is gone.>

As someone said, you can't run a war by committee. Remember what he said in 
Spacefall..."Not *until* free men can think and speak. Not *until* power is 
back with the honest man." He'll do what he must until that time is reached, 
but he isn't stupid enough to think that the niceties of democracy and free 
will are going to get them there.

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Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 20:31:06 EST
From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] WuNames
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Mine is Flippant She-Creature.<g>  Thanks Una.

Tiger M

0% human

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Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 09:51:54 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Fan Types
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Susie wrote, re fan types
> What about data/media collectors - which category is that?  (You were
describing Mad
> Hatters and Dormice...)

If they're quietly hoarding material for the sake of having it then they're
probably Squirrels...

I don't think a comprehensive taxonomy of fan types is practical, and it
probably wouldn't serve much purpose either (except to snobs).  Fandom
embraces a wide variety of diverse activities - merchandise collecting, zine
reading, fiction writing, publishing, artwork, video watching, character
watching, actor stalking, analysis and discussion, model making,
fact-finding, socialising, fancy dress and costume design, song writing,
ego-boosting, pontificating, lurking ... nobody's into all of them.  And if
anyone is, I'm not sure I want to meet them:)

But it is possible to identify active fans from passive fans and since both
types have their own (generally) common features and centres of interest,
then it's a moderately useful distinction so long as it's remembered that
individuals are not neatly packagable and can move around on the continuum
between the extremes.

Neil

"The only good alien is a dead alien" - Ursula LeGuin

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Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 10:01:25 -0000
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:  Fan Q eligibles
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Sarah wrote:
> The other question is whether or not "Haunted," by Nicky Barnard, in
> =Pressure Point=, is really slash or gen; someone who wants to nominate
the
> story for an award considers it to be gen.

Well, it wasn't me, but I definitely consider it to be a gen story or I
probably wouldn't have published it.  If anyone's verdict really counts,
though, then it's probably Nickey's, since she wrote the thing.

 >This was hard to decide, and in
> fact I counted it as gen (albeit with some misgivings) in my original zine
> listings.  But for Fan Q purposes, the definitions (as given on the
> nomination form) are as follows:
>
> Gen (non-slash, whether adult or not)
> Slash (same-sex physical relationship, not necessarily explicit)

Which effectively bars any intrusion of homosexuality into gen fiction.
This is blatantly heterosexist, though hopefully not by design.

I always thought the distinction was between 'gen' and 'adult', with slash
being a subcategory of adult. Why the shift?

Neil

"The only good alien is a dead alien" - Ursula LeGuin

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Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 18:21:54 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Wu Names
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Una, I tried the site. I am:

Flailing Fanatical Killer

Sounds like Cally in her first ep.

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Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:33:17 -0500
From: Susan Beth <susanbeth33@mindspring.com>
To: blake7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] WuNames
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Una McCormack wrote:
>Go here to find out your WuName:
>
>http://www.recordstore.com/cgi-bin/wuname/wuname.pl
>
>
>Roj Blake: Alarmingly-Named Wolfman
>
>Kerr Avon: Budget Nudist
>
>Vila Restal: Inebriated Assistant (honest)
>
>
>
>Una (Promiscuous Protestah!)

But you forgot: Del Tarrant = Undiscovered Bum

Hmm. Depending on the meaning of "bum".....



Susan Beth
(aka Inscrutable Drama Queen)

Okay, so it's not my real name. That one gets: Action-Packed Mentalist

Susan Beth


(susanbeth33@mindspring.com)

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Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 21:54:47 -0600
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] WuNames
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Una McCormack wrote:

>Go here to find out your WuName:

I shall probably be sorry I asked, but what the heck is a "WuName"?

         - Lisa
--
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  Lisa's Video Frame Capture Library: http://lcw.simplenet.com/
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 14:02:05 +1100
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Motivations and Justifications (Part One)
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Ah, I love this list.  Arguing philosophy are we...

On Sat, Jan 29, 2000 at 05:03:39PM -0800, Sally Manton wrote:
> Actually, the *worst* thing that ever happened to my own faith in my ability 
> to define right and wrong reading a slim little volume called Malleus 
> Malificarum (The Hammer of Witches) - the definitive (17th or 18th century) 
> guidebook on how to discover/interrogate/destroy witches. One of only two 
> historical texts I have never been able to finish. Horrible...but, according 
> to the overwhelming prevailing beliefs of the time, right in every moral 
> sense of the word.
> 
> I do have beliefs that I hold dear (very very few that I consider immutable, 
> and even less that do not have to be considered in context) but after 
> reading that (as part of a fairly hefty project into that outbreak of bloody 
> morality-gone-mad), I had to accept that my own standards could be seen as 
> just as misguided and wrong (if, hopefully, not as plain evil) by future 
> generations with different social/historical contexts and different values. 
> (Victorian sexual morality, anyone?)
> 
> It all comes down to "it all depends..."

I've said it before, and I'll probably say it again.  There is a
difference between errors of morals and errors of fact.
Let's just take the example that Sally gives us.
I haven't read The Hammer of Witches (and I expect I'm unlikely to)
but I wouldn't call it "right in every moral sense of the word".
The *morality* on which it was based, presumably, was that one verse
in the Bible which says "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live".
That's the only "moral" bit of it.  The *factual* bits of it were all
the methods which they had there for ascertaining whether someone was
a witch or not.  And these *facts* were erronious.  Thus,
wrong was done in the name of right, innocent people were killed,
because they got their *facts* wrong, not because they got their *morals*
wrong.

Morals are absolute.  Facts change.

The other classic example:
fashions change, but no one has ever said that women should desire to
be ugly.

Getting this back to the original debate, I think the reason why
mistral and everyone else are arguing at cross-purposes isn't just
because this is a question of morals, it's because it's a question of
facts.  One thing I've seen repeated over and over again in this
current thread is:
- Blake shouldn't try peaceful methods, because they have already been
demonstrated not to work.
Wheras I think Mistral is arguing that peaceful methods have *not*
been demonstrated not to work - at least *some* peaceful methods, such
as *using* Star One instead of destroying it.

I think the other reason why people such as Judith are saying "look at
history" is because history gives examples of success and failure in
regard to revolutions - they give us facts upon which to guage the
likelihood of success of any given strategy.

Wheras where mistral is coming from, I think, she is saying that being
pragmatic is not enough: there are some prices which are simply too
high to pay for "success", and no amount of looking in history books
is going to make them any more acceptable.

Is that a reasonable summary?

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Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 20:15:18 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] WuNames
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Me Illegitimate Muslim Fundamentalist. Methinks me won't change my name at 
work.
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Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 23:15:57 EST
From: Tigerm1019@aol.com
To: blake7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] WuNames
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In a message dated 01/29/2000 9:34:22 PM Central Standard Time, 
susanbeth33@mindspring.com writes:

> Susan Beth
>  (aka Inscrutable Drama Queen)
>  
>  Okay, so it's not my real name. That one gets: Action-Packed Mentalist

My real name got Cheeky Delinquent. 

Tiger M

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Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 20:35:58 PST
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Motivations and Justifications (Part One)
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Kathryn wrote:

<I haven't read The Hammer of Witches (and I expect I'm
unlikely to)>

You don't want to. Trust me.

<but I wouldn't call it "right in every moral sense of the
word".>

Neither would I, but almost everyone of the time did,
including a horrifying number of the victims. At the time,
prevailing opinion centred on three items of 'incontrovertible
truth':

that there were witches, and they were evil;

that they *could* be proven to be witches by methods outlined
in the book or popular custom;

that having been found, they had to be destroyed (burned or hanged).

And people both educated and uneducated, high and low, would
have insisted that these *were* facts, not moral opinions but
the absolute truth (another good one is Witchcraft in Old and
New England by someone whose name I can't recall). *We* know
they were not facts but superstitions based on a background of
religious persecution and war (correction. I believe that, but
other historians may differ) but at the time they were believed
to be plain fact, and as inarguable as our belief that murder
is wrong and must be prevented or punished (and how would we
prove to them that they *were* wrong? Think about it...)

<Morals are absolute.  Facts change.>

But our own morals are based on the truth as we know it. If
*we've* got it all wrong, how do we know?

(I'm not on the spin list, so I *will* leave this here...)


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Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:49:01 -0800
From: "Sarah Thompson" <sthompson162@mindspring.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: "Judith Proctor" <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>,
        <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] B7 Westerns
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Judith, thanks for forwarding the message from Gillian Taylor.  I will most
likely be ordering her book for my B7 collection.

There are, BTW, at least two other Westerns already published that have a
bit of a B7 connection-- specifically, a hero who, although not exactly an
Avon avatar, was to some extent modelled on Paul Darrow.  The author is
supposed to have said so specifically, though I don't know when or where
(perhaps at a con, as she also writes SFF).  The author is Chelsea Quinn
Yarbro, and the books are =The Law in Charity= (Doubleday, 1989) and
=Charity, Colorado= (M. Evans, 1993).  They are very good in their own
right, although IMO not particularly B7ish.

Sarah T.

P.S.  And Julia, thanks for noting my typo in the Fan Q address!  Also re:
Fan Qs, at least one person will be nominating "Hauntings" as a =gen= story,
so others who like it might want to do so too, in order not to split the
vote.

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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 11:56:13 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Wu Names
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Helen wrote:

> Una, I tried the site. I am:
>
> Flailing Fanatical Killer
>
> Sounds like Cally in her first ep.

Excellent one! Unfortunately, it won't let you do only single names, so I
couldn't get it to do many of the crew or the computers. Or the baddies :(


Una

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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 08:03:45 -0500
From: Susan Beth <susanbeth33@mindspring.com>
To: blake7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: b7spin: b7spin: Re: [B7L] WuNames
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Nicola Collie wrote:
>And I second Lisa's question:
>>I shall probably be sorry I asked, but what the heck is a "WuName"?
>
>Anyone? I visited the site hoping to find this out, but am none the wiser.
>It's probably something that only a 14 year-old from Queens would know :}

This is purely a guess, so don't take it too seriously:

I think it's a play on the fact that a lot of martial arts/action movies
there are many, many, many characters who are never IDed by a name.  When
time comes to list them in the credits, a descriptive tag is used to
specify which character is being played by the actor in question. These
tags are often really mundane (Woman in green dress) but if there are a
group of similarly dressed characters, say, six monks, you might get
"Soulful monk" and "Snide monk" and "Cowardly monk" and so on to
distinguish among them.  Perhaps Wu is notorious for using really
imaginative character descriptions -- I don't really know, I don't
generally read credits.

Susan Beth


(susanbeth33@mindspring.com)

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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 05:12:18 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Wu Names
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Una McCormack wrote:

> Excellent one! Unfortunately, it won't let you do only single names, so I
> couldn't get it to do many of the crew or the computers. Or the baddies :(

It's very forgiving about what it accepts as a name, however.
'Supreme Commander' Servalan registers as Undiscovered Bum.
Apparently they've discovered her link with Tarrant.

'Space Commander' Travis is wonderful: Sweaty Butcher.

Mistral Moonbeam (Dependable Skeleton)
--
"Who do you serve? And who do you trust?"
               --Galen, 'Crusade'

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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 03:26:14 -0800
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Motivations and Justifications (Part One - well, I 
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Ellynne G. wrote:

> The point is, you can give everyone a vote and abide by majority rule and
> still have abuses. Revolutionary France had an extensive list of rights,
> but no system to protect them.  Juries could stop the trial whenever they
> reached a decision--as in before-the-
> defense-has-a-chance-to-say-anything. Athens could--and did--decide the
> community would be better served if someone took poison. Without certain
> protections, democracy is nothing but mob rule.

Yes! Aristotle was right about that. Even with the protection
of our Constitution, the danger still exists in America, because
both the document itself and the interpretations thereof are
mutable.

> The problem is majorities often don't realize they are stepping on a
> minority's toes.

Worse, IMHO, is the fact that majorities often do realize 
it--and simply do not care because they think they know better 
than the minorities. 

Mistral
--
"Who do you serve? And who do you trust?"
               --Galen, 'Crusade'

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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 08:10:04 -0500
From: Susan Beth <susanbeth33@mindspring.com>
To: blake7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Sorry for posting to the wrong list.
Message-Id: <3.0.4.32.20000130081004.039af730@mindspring.com>
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Sorry! That last message should have gone to the Spin list.

My sorting filters get confused when threads move from the Lyst to the Spin
list (or vice versa) without the "b7" or "spin" part of the subject line
being removed, and those messages end up in the wrong box.  Then when I
readdress replies (if I remember to,   often I forget and send them just to
one person) I automatically use the address for the box they ended up in.

I'll try to remember to pay more attention.

Susan Beth


(susanbeth33@mindspring.com)

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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 13:08:39 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] WuNames
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Lisa Williams asked:

> Una McCormack wrote:
>
> >Go here to find out your WuName:
>
> I shall probably be sorry I asked, but what the heck is a "WuName"?

The Wu-Tang Clan are, I understand, a gangster rap band (I sound like
Stephen Fry - a 'jazz-beat combo') who have names like 'Mistah Killah'.

The WuName generator allows you to learn what your own name would be if you
were a member of the clan.

Matthew's is Touchy-Feely Unpublished Poet.

I note also that the WuName page has links to TV Cream, which is a really
good TV nostalgia site, probably explaining why the Vila one is so
appropriate.


Una

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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 13:09:39 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] WuNames
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Sally wrote:

> Me Illegitimate Muslim Fundamentalist. Methinks me won't change my name at
> work.

That's a really great one!


Una

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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 13:56:33 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "B7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Motivations and Justifications (Part One - well, I didn't mean to ramble)
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Mistral:

> Una McCormack wrote:
>
> > > > > I mean normal
> > > > > as in sane, healthy, knowing the difference between right and
> > > > > wrong.
> > > >
> > > > Ooh, so much to pull apart in that one sentence, I'm practically
frothing at
> > > > the mouth!
> > >
> > > I guess then when you have absolute power, that will be normal?
> >
> > Now we're talking the same language!
>
> Nein, ich kann Sie nicht verstehen ;-)

Wenn ist das Nunstuck in der Slottermeier? Ja! etc etc...


Una

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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 09:13:35 EST
From: Mac4781@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] WuNames
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Susan Beth (aka Inscrutable Drama Queen) wrote:

> But you forgot: Del Tarrant = Undiscovered Bum

Surely DEATH WATCH put an *end* to that oversight. :)

Carol Mc

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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:00:45 +0100
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <jacqueline.thijsen@cmg.nl>
To: lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] WuNames
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Una wrote:

> Roj Blake: Alarmingly-Named Wolfman
 
Eeek! That's what I got, too!

Jacqueline

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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:44:44 +0000
From: Nicola Collie <nicola@dunedinite.free-online.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] WuNames
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[whoops, originally mailed this from the wrong (non-subscribed) address]

Una said:
>Matthew's is Touchy-Feely Unpublished Poet.

Hey! That's *mine*!

My pseud gives Alarmingly-Named Wolfman, which is the same as Roj Blake.

I couldn't remember how to spell Gan's first name, so I tried both options:
Olag: Grand Moff Puppeteer
Oleg: Ol` Filthy, Sweaty Bastard

Jenna Stannis: 100-Watt Warlock
Dayna Mellanby: Gratuitous F-REEK
Cally of Auron: Sullen Choirboy or Dependable Skeleton depending on whether
'of' is part of her first or second name.
Anna Grant: Spunky Misunderstood Genius
Deeta Tarrant: Superintendent God-Botherer

Nicola

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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 21:03:40 -0000
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] WuNames
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Nicola wrote:

> Anna Grant: Spunky Misunderstood Genius

You made that one up!


Una

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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 21:12:33 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] WuNames
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In message <l03130300b4ba52f3bf00@[212.159.73.161]>, Nicola Collie
<nicola@dunedinite.free-online.co.uk> writes
>Jenna Stannis: 100-Watt Warlock
That's what my pseud got

>Cally of Auron: Sullen Choirboy 

and that's what my real name got.

-- 
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
        The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.

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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 21:44:52 +0000
From: Nicola Collie <nicola@dunedinite.free-online.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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I said:
>> Anna Grant: Spunky Misunderstood Genius

and Una accused:
>You made that one up!

You can check if you like. Go on, I dare ya! [punyfists]

If I'd been making it up, I'm sure 'genius' wouldn't have got anywhere near
the pasteboard. Except maybe as misdirection ;)

Nicola

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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 17:11:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Sondra Sweigman <sweigman@world.std.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Fan Q nominations
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	As the person Sarah was referring to who will be nominating
"Haunted" as a gen story, I want to underscore her suggestion that others
do likewise so that we avoid splitting the vote and increase our chances
of getting it on the ballot.  

	Sondra

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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 22:47:31 +0000
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: freedom-city@blakes-7.org, blakes7@lysator.liu.se,
        Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
Subject: [B7L] review of 12th Night
Message-ID: <VPcVm0AD+Ll4EwCp@jajones.demon.co.uk>

The Scotsman now has a review of Twelfth Night as well as the interview
with Gareth:

http://www.scotsman.com/cgi-bin/t3.cgi/taf/theatre.taf?function=detail&S
cotsman_uid1=oiujghn&desk=features&cat=theatre&sec=0
-- 
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
        The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.

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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 18:07:59 -0500
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Motivations and Justifications (Part One)
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Sally wrote:
>Blake's drive is not against those who hurt him, 
>but the system that allowed them to; because
> (IMHO) the individuals hurt *him*, and the
> system is hurting others as well.

Precisely - I always thought that this was Blake's strong point.  The
others concentrated on taking revenge on individuals who hurt them (Avon on
Shrinker, Gan on the guard, Dayna on Servalan); Blake is able to convert
his personal rage into rage on behalf of everyone who has suffered at the
Federation's hands, and to see that removing individual cogs from the
machine will have no significant effect on its workings.

And as for killing Servalan - I have begun to wonder whether his argument
"as long as he's alive, he'll be the one chasing me.  And I know I can beat
him." applies to her, too.  I haven't worked through their encounters
episode by episode, but it's my impression that she was far less successful
against Blake than she was against Avon (Federation forces captured the
Liberator three times after Blake had left).

Harriet

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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 01:17:21 -0000
From: "Kayleigh Z Banks" <kayleigh@kayleighbanks.screaming.net>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] WuNames
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>Nicola wrote:
>
>> Anna Grant: Spunky Misunderstood Genius
>
>You made that one up!
>
>
>Una

I doubt it, using my maiden name (I'm divorced and I intend to go back to
using it when my daughter is a bit older) I get:

Excitable Misunderstood Genius

That is *so* me!

Smiles
Kayleigh

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