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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 247
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] recasting (was Coltrane) [ "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmai ]
[B7L] The Blake's 7 Quidditch team-- [ Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> ]
[B7L] More Blake's 7 haikus [ Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> ]
RE: [B7L] ORAC in Birmingham, U.K? [ "Andy Hopkinson" <andyrh@netcomuk.c ]
Re: [B7L] In Praise of Dark and Dysf [ "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet ]
Re: [B7L] While I'm still in the moo [ "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet ]
Re: [B7L] ORAC in Birmingham, U.K? [ "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.co ]
[B7L] more Blake's 7 haiku [ Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> ]
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #246 [ Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> ]
Re: [B7L] The Blake's 7 Quidditch te [ B7Morrigan@aol.com ]
[B7L] Re: The truth, etc. [ Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> ]
[B7L] Re:the serial killer test [ Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> ]
[B7L] Ooops! [ Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net> ]
[B7L] Out of Print B7 Zine auction o [ Bizarro7@aol.com ]
Re: [B7L] Re: The truth, etc. [ "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> ]
Re: [B7L] In Praise of Dark and Dysf [ "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com> ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Avon's type, etc [ Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones. ]
Re: [B7L] ORAC in Birmingham, U.K? [ "Minnie" <minnie@picknowl.com.au> ]
Re: [B7L] Horizon: The B7 Appreciati [ "Mark Spencer" <mark_r_spencer@hotm ]
[B7L] ORAC in Birmingham, U.K? [ "rita d'orac" <orac@inorbit.com> ]
Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? [ Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk> ]
Re [B7L] New zine - submissions want [ "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.n ]
Re: [B7L] casting, recasting etc. [ "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.n ]
[B7L] Recasting [ Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk> ]
Re: [B7L] casting, recasting etc. [ Russ Massey <russ@wriding.demon.co. ]
Re: [B7L] casting, recasting etc. [ "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.de ]
Re: [B7L] Re: Avon's type, etc [ Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk> ]
Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? (playing [ Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.s ]
Re: [B7L] Kaldor City photos [ "Wendy S. Penberriss" <penberriss@y ]
Re: [B7L] Paul Darrow on new CD [ "Wendy S. Penberriss" <penberriss@y ]
[B7L] Mail [ "Wendy S. Penberriss" <penberriss@y ]
[B7L] Re: blakes7 II? [ Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@comp ]
Re: [B7L] Mail [ Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.s ]
Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 # [ Betty Ragan <ragan@sdc.org> ]
Re: Re [B7L] New zine - submissions [ Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@power ]
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #246 [ "Lysias" <lysias@apexmail.com> ]
[B7L] reviews [ Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com ]
Re: [B7L] Mail [ Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com ]
Seeking "Blake" [ "DragonFly" <dragonfly@pond65.fsnet ]
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Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 11:04:41 EST
From: "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] recasting (was Coltrane)
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>Iain replied to Jessica:
> >> Iain, you're a genius.
> >
> >I hear these words surprisingly rarely.
>
>Me too. And I published first!
>
Sorry Harriet, I hadn't got any further when I wrote the said message, very
well, you too are a genius.
Jessica
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:43:32 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] The Blake's 7 Quidditch team-- for fans of B7 and HP
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Player's Strike Pending on Welsh Team
By Prophet sportswriter Crickett Baggins
The Welsh fans are crossing their wands and picking up lucky
Knutts
in the hopes of averting a player's strike on the Welsh national team.
The
team, known affectionately as Blake's 7 after it's charismatic Captain,
Keeper Gareth Blake, is not attempting to win hire salaries, but rather
are
protesting against their management.
Owner Servalan Sleer scoffs at the charges levelled at her by
Blake.
"It's true we replaced all our paid staff for box office and concessions
with House Elves, but I think the public understands that it's just good
business sense. Money saved on salaries can help keep down the price of
tickets and refreshments. That's what the consumer wants."
Blake insists that house elves are not comfortable in the
stadium
environment. "Where do they rest? How do they keep busy during the
off-season? House elves prefer castles and manor houses. I believe they
have
been forced to work under these unnatural conditions. It may not be
illegal
to use the Imperius curse on house elves, but it is clearly immoral."
Stephen Travis Croucher, team manager, has a different view.
"Blake
is, and has always been a troublemaker. He is, once again, stirring up a
fuss in order to raise his own popularity. This time, it's going to
backfire
on him. The fans won't like having their games disrupted on such
frivilous
grounds."
Beater Kerr Darrow was asked for his insight. "We aren't all in
agreement with Blake about the basic principles, but for now, I'm going
along with him."
"The principle is important," insisted Jan Cally, the slender
Chaser
whose ability to send telepathic information to teammates has helped the
Welsh team to victory on numerous occaisions. "I believe Blake is
right,
and the use of house elves in this manner indicates Dark Arts in use by
management. I cannot condone or be part of such oppression. We will
strike,
and we will win."
Seeker Micheal Restal was asked to sum up his feelings. "Well, I
like my job, and don't want to lose it. I mean, it's sweet work, innit?
I
coast around for a while, keep my eyes open, and if I see the Golden
Snitch,
I go for it! I'm out in the fresh air all day and I only have to make a
sweaty effort a small part of the time. But then I think to myself, what
if
Blake's right about the bosses? Next thing you know, I might have to do
real
work. I don't have hands this fast just so I can say, 'You want chips
with
that?' So I'll do the strike. Better to have to look for a job on
another
team if Servalan fires us, than to have to watch out against getting
sneak-spelled into signing a bad contract or something."
With two weeks left until their first scheduled game, Blake's 7
are
willing to wait for management to blink.
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 17:44:20 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] More Blake's 7 haikus
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Voice From the Past
Travis, mummified,
Couldn't fool a 5 year old.
Rebels disappoint.
Weapon
Carnell bats his eyes;
Even Servalan is charmed--
The glass rose, thornless.
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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 02:38:54 +0100
From: "Andy Hopkinson" <andyrh@netcomuk.co.uk>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>,
"rita d'orac" <orac@inorbit.com>
Subject: RE: [B7L] ORAC in Birmingham, U.K?
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Adam said: (snip)
>Did anyone attend the Family Festival 2000 held at the University of
>Birmingham, U.K, on the 20th August?
>Could it have been the original BBC prop?
Andy said: (more snipping)
<<I'm afraid the original is in a bit of a state and needs some attention
after being pushed into a dark corner for years at the old storage
facilities at BBC Elstree studios (it was used to hold open a door!).
It's now been moved from there...
and is in a much safer place, but still needs to restored.>>
Rita said:
I have a pic of Orac taken not so long ago on my web site...looks very sad
indeed!
http://www.vilaworld.com/creator.html
(last pic is orac)
On your site you state "here is a selection of photos of models that Martin
Bower was involved with"
I have to say that you have some photos of models that Martin didn't make.
The Liberator guns were designed by Ian Scoones, and for season one were
made by Space Models of Feltham (the same people who built the original
large Liberator model). For season two the Liberator guns were slightly
redesigned and remade be Perry Brahan and George Reed at BBC Visual Effects,
they made quite a few and these carried on into season three.
The yellow spacship FT7 from the episode "Sand" was made by Bill Pearson.
This was a very nice model which had radio controlled landing gear and
antennae, which was filmed, but got cut from the final transmition.
The model used to sit, up on it's end by Bill's bench, Jim Francis saw it
there one day and thought it would look great as a robot (he was the FX
Designer on Galloping Galaxies at the time), so Bill had to spray the thing
bright silver, then Jim looked it and said "nah..." so it wasn't even
used...
It then got discarded, Martin rescued it from the skip, added more wiggets,
repainted it and later sold it.
The original Orac was made by Andy Lazell, and the electronics were done by
Charlie Lumm.
Andy.
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:52:49 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] In Praise of Dark and Dysfunctional ...
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Mistral said:
>Can you imagine what sort of testimony you
> might get from Orac under the court oath? <eg>
I don't think Orac would be eligible to testify--
the default version of the oath says "so help me
God" (i.e., the swearer must tell the truth to avoid
eternal punishment), and the alternate "affirmation"
for those offended by the conventional oath is
"under penalty of perjury"--since Orac can be
sanctioned neither by damnation nor a fine
or jail sentence, you can't take its testimony.
-(Y)
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 21:53:11 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] While I'm still in the mood
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Joanne:
No apologies needed-- I'm sure it'll be great, because this one is.
-(Y)
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Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 12:05:21 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] ORAC in Birmingham, U.K?
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>From: "rita d'orac" <orac@inorbit.com>
>I have a pic of Orac taken not so long ago on my web site...looks very sad
>indeed!
>http://www.vilaworld.com/creator.html
Goodness, he/it isn't looking well at all. But how would you phrase a "get
well soon" card for Orac?
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:25:05 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] more Blake's 7 haiku
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(I'm sorry if I sent this before, my connection is doing strange things
tonight and I wasn't sure what happened with this.)
Voice From the Past
Travis, mummified,
Couldn't fool a 5 year old.
Rebels disappoint.
Weapon
Carnell bats his eyes;
Even Servalan is charmed--
The glass rose, thornless.
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:35:41 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>
> And furthermore, it appeals to the desire to be cleverer than everyone
> else. There's nothing clever about a bald lie, but to carefully edit and
> slant the truth so as to deceive... that takes cunning. And is therefore
> much more satisfying.
>
> Iain
I think you've hit the nail on the head. It feels very different to lie
to someone, versus outwitting them by sidestepping the question, using
acting skills, etc. I guess it's a question partly of... fair play? To
lie (deliberately mistating facts) is cheating? Whereas, if you simply
suggest something they misunderstand, they are as responsible for their
deception as you. I'll have to think about this more.
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:20:35 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] The Blake's 7 Quidditch team-- for fans of B7 and HP
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Helen,
Sigh of relief. Finally got around to reading HP4 last weekend and no longer
have to skip the references to it on lysator.
That was very funny!
Morrigan
"When I get a little money I buy zines; and if any is left I buy food and
clothes."
(apologies to Erasmus)
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:37:37 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: The truth, etc.
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>
> Of course, they do tend to get upset with witnesses who indeed
> attempt to tell the _whole_ truth; they tend to be admonished to
> 'answer yes or no'. Can you imagine what sort of testimony you
> might get from Orac under the court oath? <eg>
>
> Mistral
> --
I know *exactly* what we'd get-- ORAC serving 6 m onths minimum for
"Contempt of Court".
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:48:40 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re:the serial killer test
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It seemd stupid to me. I mean, I'd be more worried about a person who
said they *didn't* fly off the handle more often than they like. Do you
*like* getting mad at someone and shouting?
Okay, I scored a 12. Which gets me in with Iain and Avon. I think I'd
rather be there than elsewhere, considering one would have to be pretty
d*mn boring to answer 'no' to some of those.
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:59:27 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Ooops!
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I mis-read some of the questions. Correcting myself, I got a 10. I no
longer need therapy. ::dripping with irony::
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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 00:30:51 EDT
From: Bizarro7@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se, freedom-city@blakes-7.org
Subject: [B7L] Out of Print B7 Zine auction on eBay
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Annie has started culling some duplicates of rare and out-of-print B7
fanzines and listing them on eBay. These are original print runs dating
mostly from the 80's, and there will be many more coming as she scans and
posts when she finds the time. Bookmark this website of her current auctions
and keep checking back each week to see what's up; there are hard-to-find
treasures on the way for your collection.
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/ashton7/
Leah
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:50:55 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: The truth, etc.
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 18:37:37 -0700 Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
writes:
> >
> > Of course, they do tend to get upset with witnesses who indeed
> > attempt to tell the _whole_ truth; they tend to be admonished to
> > 'answer yes or no'. Can you imagine what sort of testimony you
> > might get from Orac under the court oath? <eg>
> >
> > Mistral
> > --
> I know *exactly* what we'd get-- ORAC serving 6 m onths minimum for
> "Contempt of Court".
>
But how do you punish Orac? I'm thinking it somehow involves making the
little computer analyze every Barney episode over and over to make sure
he has no time to pursue any of his own interests.
Ellynne
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 22:42:09 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] In Praise of Dark and Dysfunctional ...
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2000 19:34:46 +0100 Julia Jones
<julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
> I am quite certain that Orac would find a way to mislead while
> obeying
> the letter of the oath. Possibly by simply wittering on until
> forcibly
> restrained, thus ensuring that nobody noticed the *important* part
> of
> the testimony.
>
Not to compare Orac to Nazi Germany (although he probably would invade
Europe if it proved that his hypotheses on how it could be done was
correct), but didn't they do something like this? I think it was Britain
and France (and I'm not sure who else) who said that any aggression
towards a list of countries would be viewed as an act of war. Germany
sent back a very sarcastic, detailed message saying how they had no
intention of invading country A at that time, followed by a lengthy
exposition of A's warlike history, and then that they had no intention of
invading country B at that time, followed by more exposition, and on and
on.
The story goes that no one noticed at the time Germany didn't say
anything about Poland.
Ellynne
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 23:13:46 +0100
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: B7 Lyst <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon's type, etc
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In message <4.1.20000831142507.009dee70@mail.powersurfr.com>, Penny
Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com> writes
>Haha, nyah nyah, Avon is loopier than Travis
This is news?
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:16:10 +0930
From: "Minnie" <minnie@picknowl.com.au>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] ORAC in Birmingham, U.K?
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>Andy said: (more snipping)
><<I'm afraid the original is in a bit of a state and needs some attention
>after being pushed into a dark corner for years at the old storage
>facilities at BBC Elstree studios (it was used to hold open a door!).
>It's now been moved from there...
>and is in a much safer place, but still needs to restored.>>
Doesnt it break ones heart. <sniff>
Min.xxx
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Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 09:33:47 GMT
From: "Mark Spencer" <mark_r_spencer@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon: The B7 Appreciation Society
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Adam, you said:
>Can somebody tell me what is the current situation regarding Horizon?
It's still going, though undergoing a shedload of restructuring, both
internal and external.
>I have been a member for several years and would like to know whether
>the club has folded or are we likely to receive issue 40 of the
>newsletter in the near future?
No, it hasn't folded and is unlikely in the extreme to do so. Issue 40 is my
fault, I'm afraid. Well, at least the lateness thereof. I'm a picky bugger
when it comes to laying out magazines, and, without long technical
diatribes, I'm trying to make the process easier for subsequent issues by
standardising certain sections right now, at this issue. So, it's on its way
with some very entertaining articles (and I'm not just saying that because I
wrote one of them) and barring nervous breakdowns, will be with you all
within September. Apologies to all concerned.
>I have always been impressed with the professional approach of the
>society and the quality of the newsletter speaks for itself, for >those who
>have seen one.
I think you're right about the newsletter. The previous issues I'd seen
before taking over design and layout - from the earliest black and white
photocopied issues right up to the full-colour extravaganzas that were
issues 38 & 39 - seemed to have an awful lot of stuff in them across a wide
range of subjects. Very well put together, as I recall. So, of course, I
redesigned the whole damn thing! ;-) Abuse on a postcard to...
>Over the past months I have read some disturbing comments on this
>mailing list between members of the comittee and subscription payers
>and wondered whether it is now time for the current committee to
>resign in favour of a new one.
I think that the idea of the entire committee resigning is a bit much, but
there is definitely a need for fresh ideas and fresh blood. The trouble is,
you find that a lot of people are willing to give something a go for a few
months at battle speed, and then the interest and impetus wanes, or they
have their own agenda which would steer the club in a wildly different
direction. Tracking down the likes of Diane Gies, Judith Proctor and so on
is a bloody difficult task. These are the people who have stuck by B7 simply
because it's what they love, and that's what drives them. These are the
people who stay up until frightening-o'clock in the morning preparing
websites, newsletters, interviews, theatre outings, conventions and so on.
Diane at Horizon had a big falling out with the guys who put the magazine
together (there, I've said it - let's not debate the damn thing, though...),
and things have been a bit turbulent at Horizon HQ. I personally couldn't
give a flying f*** what happened, I just happen to be involved now so I see
what I see.
Horizon is not a closed system to outsiders (fercrissakes, they let me in!),
it's just that it would seem that the committee don't want to rush into
changing things for the sake of changing them. It has to be a move for the
better, no? Give 'em time, it's not exactly easy to run this sort of
organisation.
>I have emailed several members of the committee with ideas and
>material for use in a newsletter (material such as that available on
>my web-site at http://members.tripod.co.uk/aDziE) and whilst I get an
>encouraging response, I have not heard anything since. Nor does the
>Horizon web-site appear to be updated very often and there is
>certainly no mention of the next newsletter.
Alas, I hold my hand up in shame, because I've probably been forwarded your
info by the committee. However, in my defense, I've been getting divorced,
which kinda takes precedence over *anything*.
I've just had a look at the album on your site and thoroughly recommend
anyone else to. Are they done in MAX? They have that quality about them. If
you want a piece of advice (I do the same sort of stuff for a living, BTW)
try and rethink the depth of field in the shots as they're a bit too
uniform, and maybe make the good ol' Lib a bit dirtier. I'm currently
preparing some footage for Andrew Mark Sewell as a pitch for the movie CGI
(of which there hopefully won't be too much <g>), whivch is quite dark and
moody in an "Event Horizon/Aliens" kind of way. We'll see. They'll probably
get Foundation Imaging to do it, and therefore it'll look ghastly and
unreal. Oh well...
>Has the club died a death, will I get a refund for those newsletters >I
>will not receive or hopefully, can the club be saved?
Death = no, refund = no, not if the club's still producing them, saved =
yes, I should bloody well hope so!
I hope that's answered some questions for you. Umm, I'm not a committee
member (I only warranted a club membership <g>), but I put the magazine
together (far too slowly - sorry!), I'm finishing up editing the Deliverance
98 videos (my god, what a task!), write theatre reviews and do a bunch of
other stuff I'm too tired to list. That was just to give you an idea of who
the hell I am and what I do for Horizon, not trying to impress with how much
of a masochist I am... ;-)
Take care aDziE,
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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 06:29:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: "rita d'orac" <orac@inorbit.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] ORAC in Birmingham, U.K?
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I said:
I have a pic of Orac taken not so long ago on my web site...looks very sad
indeed!
http://www.vilaworld.com/creator.html
(last pic is orac)
Andy said:
<<On your site you state "here is a selection of photos of models that Martin
Bower was involved with"
I have to say that you have some photos of models that Martin didn't make.>>
You're absolutely right Andy, I just wasn't sure how much Martin was involved in those models, even though the pics are his...I will update the references in my next update next week.
Thanks for filling in the gaps.
rita d'orac
"If you think of this mouse as a space captain..."
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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:15:41 GMT
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II?
Message-Id: <200009011115.MAA28030@smtp.uk2net.com>
Katie:
> So then we get "Trial", which is, for Blake, partly about his feelings
> of guilt for talking Gan to his death and partly a calculated attempt to get
> the rest of the crew to commit more explicitly to him so he doesn't have to
> feel so guilty about involving them in this fight. (Er, IMO.)
Oh, I *really* like this way of looking at it - thanks - it's that interplay
between manipulation and sincerity that fascinates me about Blake...
I am wearing a new jumper that makes me look like Blake, btw, only smaller and
with pink hair. It only cost 33p.
Love, Ika
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:34:18 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re [B7L] New zine - submissions wanted
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Following a suggestion from Judith Proctor, I've decided to go ahead with a
new zine. I'll be doing all the editing, layouting, spelll chekcing, with
Judith handling printing, distribution and accounts.
If anyone's got a story ready or on the boil that they'd like to see in
print, please get in touch.
(Usual guidelines apply, ie graphic sex/violence/strong language
permissible, but *no smut*. Good Science or No Science equally welcome, but
not Bad Science. Max length 20-25,000 words, stories should be complete and
not part of an ongoing series. Otherwise anything goes subject to ed's
discretion, which isn't half as severe as he likes to make out it is.)
Neil
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Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 10:49:27 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] casting, recasting etc.
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From: Betty Ragan <ragan@sdc.org>
> Mistral wrote:
>
> > For example, I've noticed that the things I connect
> > with most strongly are themed around commitment issues: loyalty,
> > trust, honor, devotion. (LOL. Could this be related to the 'intolerance
> > to uncertainty' you mentioned in your J or P post?) Does anyone
> > else notice similar patterns in their viewing habits?
>
> I have noticed that some of the other fiction that I like best or find
> most emotionally affecting shares certain major themes with B7: trust
> and betrayal issues, tragedy, complex anti-heroes, reality and decption
> issues...
Considering my DVD collection, which has just crept into double figures, I'd
say that my tastes lean towards stuff that breaks new ground in some way or
subverts/parodies the tropes of established genres. Hence the inclusion of
a couple of spaghetti westerns (groundbreaking when they first appeared),
Trainspotting, Thelma And Louise, Mad Max 2, Unforgiven, Starship Troopers
and Beavis And Butthead Do America. This isn't too far removed from my own
take on B7, which I like for its dystopian mood, its cynicism, its moral
ambiguity and general inversion of staple space opera values.
But obviously all those titles could be valued (or discarded) for completely
different reasons to the ones that compelled tight-fisted me to part with my
dosh for them.
Neil
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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:28:06 GMT
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Recasting
Message-Id: <200009011228.NAA29247@smtp.uk2net.com>
Dana said:
> If we can mobilize our time machines for the
> casting process, Blake could be early Arnold
> Schwarzenegger or few-years-back Mel Gibson:
>
> They slaughtered his family! They wiped his
> mind! They gave him tranquilized dreams!
> THIS TIME...IT'S PERSONAL!!!!
Blake with Arnie's accent would be *wicked*. If we're time-travelling, though,
I *insist* on getting 70's , The-Man-Who-Fell-To-Earth-stylee Bowie into it. As
Carnell, maybe. Or Cally?
Love, Ika
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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:05:10 +0100
From: Russ Massey <russ@wriding.demon.co.uk>
To: Neil Faulkner <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
Cc: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] casting, recasting etc.
Message-ID: <cs9T6BAGm6r5EwkZ@wriding.demon.co.uk>
In message <000401c01409$fdf18920$e535fea9@neilfaulkner>, Neil
Faulkner <N.Faulkner@tesco.net> writes
>
>Considering my DVD collection, which has just crept into double figures, I'd
>say that my tastes lean towards stuff that breaks new ground in some way or
>subverts/parodies the tropes of established genres. Hence the inclusion of
>a couple of spaghetti westerns (groundbreaking when they first appeared),
>Trainspotting, Thelma And Louise, Mad Max 2, Unforgiven, Starship
>Troopers
>and Beavis And Butthead Do America. This isn't too far removed from my
>own
>take on B7, which I like for its dystopian mood, its cynicism, its moral
>ambiguity and general inversion of staple space opera values.
>
The only one there which slightly surprises me in 'Starship Troopers'.
Obviously you appreciate the ironic subversion of the original's 'war
brings out mans finest qualities', but why this film over Blade Runner
or Aliens?
--
Russ Massey
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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:06:38 +0100
From: "Alison Page" <alison@alisonpage.demon.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] casting, recasting etc.
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Neil said -
>I'd
>say that my tastes lean towards stuff that breaks new ground in some way or
>subverts/parodies the tropes of established genres.
Yes to both of those things. I also like stuff that gives me an intense
emotional woomph. Like people, I want my films and books and songs to be
full-on, all-out, 'this is me'. Don't fuck about. If you want to scare me,
scare me. If you want to confuse me, confuse me.
Also, lack of closure. Room for me to breathe and make up my own ideas, but
with authorial confidence. Not the ambiguity of 'I can't take
responsibility, so the audience will have to' but the ambiguity of 'I can
make lots of contradictory things work at the same time, and you will
believe in them all.'
Talking about favourites. I'm just off to see Radiohead now. Hurrah! Their
first concert in the UK for three years. It's been quite a week.
'I wish they'd swoop down in a country lane, late at night when I'm driving.
And take me aboard their beautiful ship'
Well. It could happen. 'I'm waiting, Vila'.
Alison
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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:31:56 GMT
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Avon's type, etc
Message-Id: <200009011331.OAA30169@smtp.uk2net.com>
Betty/Iain:
> >
> > ObB7: I just made up some answers for Avon (yeah, half of them were
> > sheer guesswork) and got the following result: "We're not going to label
> > you borderline, but the Death Row staff would sleep better at night
> > knowing the word "psychotherapy" is part of your vocabulary." Sounds
> > about right to me... :)
>
> Oddly, that's the same score I got.
>
> Iain
>
And me.
Love,
Ika
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Date: 01 Sep 2000 15:41:46 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Why Not Blake II? (playing cards)
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While I still haven't had the time to think about the tarot stuff any
more, I happened to find this old posting while messing about with the
mailing list archives:
http://tezcatlipoca.algonet.se/cgi-bin/getbyid.pl?id=11275
I also found out that the first mention of Robbie Coltrane was by Kay
Teel back in June 1993, and she suggested that he'd play Gan. The same
post also suggests Hugh Laurie for Blake, Rowan Atkinson for Avon and
Rik Mayall for Vila, so she may not have been entirely serious.
Hm... Jennifer Saunders as Jenna and Dawn French as Cally?
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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 07:20:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" <penberriss@yahoo.com>
To: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>,
Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Kaldor City photos
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--- Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com> wrote:
> Andy Hopkinson has kindly given me some photos from
> the Kaldor City recording
> session. They're up on the web site now -
> http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
>
> I think my favourite one is of Paul Darrow and
> Patricia Merrick, but there's one
> of Scott Fredericks that runs it very close indeed.
> (If you've seen Andy's
> photos of Brian Croucher in Zenith, then you'll have
> an idea of what standard of
> photo to expect.)
Surely he didn't do... *that* photo, did he? :)
Wendy
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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 07:32:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" <penberriss@yahoo.com>
To: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>,
Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: Maureen Marrs <Maureen@mMarrs.Freeserve.co.uk>,
Ann Bown <Annbown@aol.com>, Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Paul Darrow on new CD
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--- Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com> wrote:
> Scott Fredericks, one of the most popular guest
> actors ever to appear on Blake's
> 7, reprises his role as Carnell the
> psychostrategist.
You just got my attention. Especially after seeing the
photos.
BTW, any chance of a Carnell model :)? Tie-in
merchandise perhaps!
Wendy
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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 07:39:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" <penberriss@yahoo.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Mail
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Can anybody tell me how to suspend the list for short
periods, without actually unsubscribing? I went away
for a week and I had a HUNDRED emails in my inbox!
Wendy
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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:41:58 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7 II?
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Iain wrote:
>as long as you had Geraldine Sommerville for Cally I don't mind.
Ellie, do you remember? I've got a bit hazy - I recall Coltrane,
Ecclestone, and Carlyle (Vila), I think Sommerville was probably Cally, a=
nd
I know we wanted Adrian Dunbar for somebody.
Harriet
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Date: 01 Sep 2000 16:57:55 +0200
From: Calle Dybedahl <calle@lysator.liu.se>
To: "Wendy S. Penberriss" <penberriss@yahoo.com>
Cc: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Mail
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>>>>> "Wendy" == Wendy S Penberriss <penberriss@yahoo.com> writes:
> Can anybody tell me how to suspend the list for short periods,
> without actually unsubscribing?
There is only subscribed and not subscribed. I never understood the
point of "subscribed but not getting the posts" anyway.
> I went away for a week and I had a HUNDRED emails in my inbox!
After my vacation this year I had 9812 unread messages.
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Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 09:12:10 -0600
From: Betty Ragan <ragan@sdc.org>
To: B7 Lyst <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #246
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Helen Krummenacker wrote:
> I think you've hit the nail on the head. It feels very different to lie
> to someone, versus outwitting them by sidestepping the question, using
> acting skills, etc. I guess it's a question partly of... fair play? To
> lie (deliberately mistating facts) is cheating? Whereas, if you simply
> suggest something they misunderstand, they are as responsible for their
> deception as you. I'll have to think about this more.
Yes, I think that last is *very* much a part of it. Or, as Homer
Simpson put it: "It takes two to lie, Marge. One to lie, and one to
listen!"
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Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 09:25:01 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: Re [B7L] New zine - submissions wanted
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At 10:34 AM 8/31/00 +0100, Neil Faulkner wrote:
>Good Science or No Science equally welcome, but
>not Bad Science.
So, none of that "faster than light" nonsense allowed? (;-p)
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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 08:24:42 -0800
From: "Lysias" <lysias@apexmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #246
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Helen:
>I think you've hit the nail on the head. It feels very different to lie=
>to someone, versus outwitting them by sidestepping the question, using
>acting skills, etc. I guess it's a question partly of... fair play? To
>lie (deliberately mistating facts) is cheating?
I think that the difference between lying and deception is an entirely s=
uperficial one. After all, the overall effect is the same; you have caus=
ed someone to believe something which is incorrect, through your own del=
iberate efforts.
What has 'fair play' got to do with it? It seems to me that the only rea=
l difference is that lying is frequently easier to pull off.
>Whereas, if you simply
>suggest something they misunderstand, they are as responsible for their=
>deception as you.
This may be the case if they wished to misunderstand you, as much as you=
wished them to. Otherwise, no. If I build a trap, then set it for someo=
ne and they subesquently step into it, can I claim that they are as resp=
onsible as I am? Of course not.
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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:49:38 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] reviews
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-0901134938-256Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
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We had a suggestion in the web site guest book that we publish reviews of
on-line fiction as well as of fanzines.
It seems like a good idea.
If anyone would like to write reviews of any fiction site or of particular
stories then we'd be happy to put the review next to our link to the site.
Please follow the usual rules for reviews. Say what you like and *why* you like
it. eg. I'm particularly fond of Gan and felt that this story gave insights
into his character.
If you dislike a story, also give reasons (because other fans may have different
tastes). eg. I disliked this story because I felt that it portrayed Blake as
being stupid.
I'd like to thank all those who keep writing zine reviews for the site. Zine
reviews are especially helpful because they help fans make informed decisions
when spending money.
Judith
PS. We like to keep the fiction links up to date - if you know of any sites
that we've missed, please let us know.
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Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:30:54 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Mail
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-0901173054-6d1Rr9i@blakes-7.demon.co.uk>
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On Fri 01 Sep, Wendy S. Penberriss wrote:
> Can anybody tell me how to suspend the list for short
> periods, without actually unsubscribing? I went away
> for a week and I had a HUNDRED emails in my inbox!
I usually unsub. It only takes 20 seconds. I have the sub and unsub address in
my address book as I'm away several times during the year and can't cope with
the mail backlog.
Judith
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Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 09:22:31 +0100
From: "DragonFly" <dragonfly@pond65.fsnet.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>, <blakes7-d@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Seeking "Blake"
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Hi folks,
Just to let you know (those that have been great in supporting me find the
1992 video series of B7) I have now got 7 of the 26 tapes and I am worried
that I am not going to be able to get hold of the final tape. So I was
wondering if any of you nice folk may have it stuff in a cupboard somewhere
and would consider selling it?
I have found that many of the other tapes are quite easy to get hold of but
that one I have only seen auctioned once and I was to late to bid for it.
(doh)
well if there is someone out there that has bought the later addition and
wouldn't mind selling it then please contact me, I will consider any
reasonable price.
thanks
Julia
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