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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 208
Today's Topics:
Re: [B7L] Re: ZENITH
Re: [B7L] Re: Zenith/B7 Poster Magazines
Re: [B7L] Croucher Underwear
Re: [B7L] Croucher Underwear
[B7L] That pesky "reply to all" button
Re: [B7L] Second chance to see
[B7L] Re. Snape as Avon
Re: [B7L] Croucher Underwear
Re: [B7L] Croucher Underwear
[B7L] Odd ways to like Vila
[B7L] Scarlet Blakeney
[B7L] Re: Avon as Snape... and more
Re: [B7L] Croucher Underwear
Re: [B7L] That pesky "reply to all" [ "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmai ]
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:20:56 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: <mistral@ptinet.net>, "B7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: ZENITH
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> personal reaction with great interest. My only discomfort is with the
> 'fans *should* support this' part--the corresponding implication is
> fairly obvious; if one doesn't, one is a BAD FAN. And some people
This is true. For a while, waaay back when, I was the regular book reviewer
for a Doctor Who zine, and had a policy of being polite but honest; if I
thought it wasn't any good, I'd say so. Problem was, this was the early days
of the New Adventures, and I would occasionaly get attitude along the lines
of "we have to be nice about the books cos if they don't sell, they'll
discontinue the line." Which was fair enough, but it did also mean that my
reviews wouldn't have been trustworthy guides to what the books were like,
so I ignored it. These days, if I'm asked to review something, I generally
say "I'll review it, but I'll be honest. If you don't want to upload/print
the review, cos it's too negative, that's your prerogative, but I won't
lie."
A friend of mine, actually, picks the movies he sees by whether or not a
certain New Yorker critic liked them. He knows the man's tastes well enough,
he says, to know that if this critic hated the movie, he'd love it...
Fiona
Fiona Moore
http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html
Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed
> And I hope you notice that I was careful *not* to say that Joyce
> shouldn't write whatever kind of reviews or promotions she wants--
> that would be me trying to impose shoulds on her, something I'm
> trying hard to avoid doing to anybody. I only wanted to point out
> that there might be more effective methods with less potential for
> backfiring. Jacqueline is not the only person who was nearly put
> off buying Zenith (if for somewhat different reasons).
>
> > Besides, it's economic reality that if a zine publisher doesn't sell a
> > minimum number of copies, there won't be another issue.
>
> Absolutely. But there are *so* many ways to support B7 fandom
> in general, and Zenith in particular, surely we can afford to use the
> carrot instead of the stick. IMHO it will be more effective in the
> long run; people participate in fandom for pleasure (or are we all
> more twisted than I think we are? ;-)
>
> Mistral
> (eagerly awaiting her copy)
> --
> "Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo. So little time! So much to know!"
> --Jeremy Hilary Boob, Ph.D.
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:23:47 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: <JEB31538@cs.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Zenith/B7 Poster Magazines
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> The B7 Poster Magazine failed in part because it could not be sold to the
> USA. As an American, I was forbidden to subscribe to it.
Corporate idiocy strikes again... still, I suppose that was before it sank
in that just cos a programme hadn't been *released* in the USA, it didn't
mean people weren't watching it...
> By the way, I heartily recommend ZENITH. Support B7 fandom and order it
> today, if you haven't already.
I'm just going to let that one stand.
Fiona
Fiona Moore
http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html
Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:51:26 +0930
From: "Minnie" <minnie@picknowl.com.au>
To: "Wendy S. Penberriss" <penberriss@yahoo.com>,
"Andy Hopkinson" <andyrh@netcomuk.co.uk>,
"Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>,
"Jacqueline Thijsen" <inquisitioner@wish.net>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Croucher Underwear
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Wendy wrote:
>Only of Brian? You don't have any of, say, ...Paul, do
>you? JUst a hyporthetical example....
>
You read my mind. <G>
Min.xxx
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:42:44 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@wish.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Croucher Underwear
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At 01:40 21-7-00, Penny Dreadful wrote:
>All right, now, Sister Jacqueline, my most loyal compatriot: any thoughts
>on how to go about locating and liberating these Holy Relics in the name of
>FINALACT?
I have a dream. A dream of going to England and twisting Andy's arm until
he consents to make that most wonderful of all things: the Brian Croucher
poster magazine. With nothing but single sided A1 format posters of Brian
wearing *that* underwear. And nothing else.
I'm suddenly feeling a bit faint. Has anybody seen the smelling salts?
Oh, what the hell, make 'em doublesided if that helps to reduce printing
costs. I don't mind buying two magazines to support *that* effort.
>--Penny (Just Got The Magazine In Question)
Isn't it glorious?
Jacqueline
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:34:46 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@wish.net>
To: "Lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] That pesky "reply to all" button
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I've noticed lately that a several people forget to delete the name of the
poster they're replying to in the "to" field of their messages. That means
that whoever they're replying to gets the message twice. And if a message
gets replied to several times, the "to" field can contain up to four or
five adresses (got one of those this morning) besides the lysator address.
Mind you, I'm not pointing an accusing finger. I, too, was once a newbie
<waits for gasps of shock from fellow lystians at this revelation, raises
eyebrows when they remain strangely silent>. So, for those of you who've
recently joined: whenever you reply to a message, please take a few seconds
to edit the "to" field so that the name of the person you were replying to
is deleted. It's not absolutely necessary. Forgetting to do so is not even
a flogging offense. But it *is* polite.
Thank you.
Jacqueline
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:00:12 +0930
From: "Minnie" <minnie@picknowl.com.au>
To: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Second chance to see
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Joanne wrote:
>
>"Legal Man" by Belle & Sebastian is on Rage again tonight, for Australian
>members of the Lyst. Minnie, and anyone else who might want a reminder, set
>your video for between 1am and 1.30am (that's Eastern Standard Time - might
>be a bit earlier for the South Australians).
Thank you, thank you, thank you. <G>
If you miss it and I taped it, I will send you a copy.
Cheers. Min.xxx
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:44:13 GMT
From: "Isobel Hamilton" <isobel19@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re. Snape as Avon
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>Take Avon. (Distant voices yell "I don't mind if I do".) I thought him >a
>complete bastard when I was 12. "Orbit" didn't help there (any angst
>potential would've gone way above my head at that point).
Interesting! When I was 4 years old and watching the series Avon was by far
my favourite character :o) And still is... but then I think Avon and I have
more in common than I might care to admit ;o) Maybe I was influenced at a
young age!
Isobel
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Dayna: Avon why do you keep everything
to yourself? Why so secretive?
Avon: Perhaps I'm shy...
Powerplay
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:44:06 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Croucher Underwear
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> Wendy wrote:
> >Only of Brian? You don't have any of, say, ...Paul, do
> >you? JUst a hyporthetical example....
> >
>
> Min added:
> You read my mind. <G>
Let's see, they need to sell 700 to break even. If they tossed in a picture
of Paul in his underwear from around the time of B7...yes, I project sales
well over 700 <g>
Morrigan
"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:52:30 +0930
From: "Minnie" <minnie@picknowl.com.au>
To: <B7Morrigan@aol.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Croucher Underwear
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>Morrigan
>Let's see, they need to sell 700 to break even. If they tossed in a
picture
>of Paul in his underwear from around the time of B7...yes, I project sales
>well over 700 <g>
>
I think there would be queues for that <VBG>
With me at the front. ;)
Min.xxx
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:05:51 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Odd ways to like Vila
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> > Mistral: >Odd ways to like Vila...)
> >
> > Oooh, be very careful with this one...
>
> Why do you think I'm trying to stop thinking...
I like him as a drinks dispenser.
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:43:34 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Scarlet Blakeney
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I was listening to the soundtrack for "The Scarlet Pimpernel" this
morning, and the song "Marguerite", and these lines popped out at me:
And no one has touched me
My soul's my own
...
No one moves my heart -
But you... come close...
I thought - Avon! These lines are sung by Chauvelin.
Avon as Chauvelin. Cally as Marguerite. Blake as Blakeney.
But then I thought, no, that doesn't fit, Cally isn't in love with
Blake, though she is sympathetic to the revolution. Okay, what about
Jenna? But Avon doesn't care a fig for Jenna, and Jenna doesn't care
for the revolution.
Okay, why not a swap? Cally as Marguerite, *Avon* as Sir Percy
Blakeney, Blake as the wild-eyed revolutionary!
Don't you think Avon would dress up very prettily? (evil smile)
Kathryn Andersen
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Blake: What do you think, Jenna?
Avon: I think the basic idea was stupid.
Blake: No, the idea was logical enough. Jenna?
Jenna: A lot more logical than this makes it seem.
(Blake's 7: Weapon [B3])
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 18:24:55 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
CC: LizR2@aol.com
Subject: [B7L] Re: Avon as Snape... and more
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(NOTE: I have NOT READ THE FOURTH BOOK, so forgive me if any comments
are way off)
> > Take Avon. (Distant voices yell "I don't mind if I do".) I thought him a
> > complete bastard when I was 12.
>
> I still do think he's a complete bastard. But he's a complete bastard who's
> on the right side.
>
> Fiona
My impulse was to say, life makes complete bastards of some people. But
obviously, being kicked on by the world doesn't create the same results
by different people. Take Blake; Federation treats him cruelly; he
reacts by wanting to free everyone from the same possible fate. Avon
probably hasn't has a rough life by the same standards (although I don't
think there is an objective standard for hardship-- I endure physical
pain better than most people, for instance, but emotional pain is much
worse), and yet he treats the human race with suspicion.
Likewise in the Harry Potter books, both Malfoy and Potter are in bad
homes. Yet Potter, neglected to the point of abuse, is *mostly* a kind
and considerate person. Malfoy, emotionally abused but physically
pampered (a bad combonation for the soul in any case) is... well,
somehow I'm thinking "boy Servalan"... surrounding himself with somewhat
dim syncophants, manipulating people, pulling rank, etc. In a power
struggle with Harry (which he constantly loses, to intensify his
bitterness, while Harry remains oblivious to his feelings).
Frankly, I've wondered... getting back to Snape being based on 'a
teacher she disliked', and turning out to have a heroic streak... I was
thinking that the series is, by nature, going to be a prolonged
coming-of-age story. One thing we learn as we move between 11 and 21, is
that the world is not the black and white, good-guys v. bad-guys plafce
we are taught about as children and want to believe.
Which makes an Avon-ish character most appropriate. To a child's eyes,
he's irredeemably nasty. As you get older, you recognize he's got
problems of his own, and is a very unhappy person. You see a potential
for good. If you're like me, you want to bring out that potential.
I doubt Harry will overcome his antipathy for the man, but I can't b e
sure. That's what growing up does... changes perspective.
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Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:32:21 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Croucher Underwear
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At 10:42 AM 7/21/00 +0200, Jacqueline Thijsen wrote:
>I have a dream. A dream of going to England and twisting Andy's arm
Or sucking up. Either works for me.
>until
>he consents to make that most wonderful of all things: the Brian Croucher
>poster magazine. With nothing but single sided A1 format posters of Brian
>wearing *that* underwear. And nothing else.
Ooh, I feel all tingly...I wonder if he ever posed in a pink polkadot nightie.
>Oh, what the hell, make 'em doublesided if that helps to reduce printing
>costs. I don't mind buying two magazines to support *that* effort.
I think he should back the Brians with pictures of Paul Darrow in his
undies, which I am gathering would be guaranteed to bring in the masses. Et
voila, everyone's a winner.
>Isn't it glorious?
It's all too beautiful.
--
For A Dread Time, Call Penny:
http://members.tripod.com/~Penny_Dreadful/
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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 19:42:27 EST
From: "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] That pesky "reply to all" button
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Jacqueline:
>I've noticed lately that a several people forget to delete the name of the
>poster they're replying to in the "to" field of their messages. That means
>that whoever they're replying to gets the message twice.
>
Oops, I think I might be doing this, thanks Jacqueline.
Jessica
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