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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 198
Today's Topics:
Re: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of stock)
Re: [B7L] Re: posts on Shrinker & treatment thereof.
[B7L] Re:Wobblevision at Nexus
Re: [B7L] Stock equalization
Re: [B7L] Stock equalization
Re: [B7L] Horizon
Re: [B7L] Stock equalization
Re: [B7L] Horizon
[B7L] Re. Zenith and Sally Knyvette
Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
Re: [B7L] Horizon
Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
[B7L] Revolutions past
Re: [B7L] Revolutions past
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #195
[B7L] Re: blakes7-d Digest V00 #196
Re: [B7L] Revolutions past
Re: [B7L] Revolutions past
Re: [B7L] Revolutions past
Re: [B7L] Re:Wobblevision at Nexus
[B7L] Winspit quarry trip
[B7L] new caption picture
Re: [B7L] Revolutions past
Re: [B7L] Revolutions past
Re: [B7L] Revolutions past
Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
Re: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of
stock)
Re: [B7L] Bleeding onto the page
Re: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of
stock)
Re: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of
stock)
Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
Re: [B7L] Revolutions past
Re: [B7L] Revolutions past
[B7L] Watch out Mr Faulkner
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:04:34 +1000
From: Kathryn Andersen <kat@welkin.apana.org.au>
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On Mon, Jul 10, 2000 at 12:02:24AM -0700, mistral@ptinet.net wrote:
>
> 'Twould be interesting to compare people's working styles.
> Quick or slow?
Considering that I've probably written about 15 stories in 15 years,
I don't think I'm quick. But I'm getting quicker - or maybe it's that
deadlines do amazing things for productivity: my first Lyric Wheel
story was basically done over a weekend.
> Multiple drafts or one plus tweaking?
That depends. I usually tweak while I'm writing, then when I actually
manage to get to the end, let it rest a bit, and then tweak some more.
With or without beta-readers.
What usually happens is that whenever I come to start a writing
session, I re-read what I have so far, and tweak that, then then go on
from there. So the start of a story always ends up getting more
attention than the end.
Sometimes things do get more than tweaking done to them. The worst
case was The Butterfly Effect 2, where I had to rip it up and start
over completely at least twice. What I ended up with bore no
resemblance to what I started with.
A not-so-bad case was a more recent story where I re-arranged the
order of some scenes - I had originally been writing it alternating
scenes with the two main characters, but changed it so that there was
a whole sequence for one character, and then it went back to the start
of the day and showed what had happened to the other character. Got
more suspense that way. I ended up having to write a few more
scenes for one of the characters, to fill in some gaps.
> Beginning to end, or jumping around?
Both. I start writing "properly" from the first scene, but I will
jot down ideas, dialogue and scene-snippets for further on in the
story as they occur to me. *Never* get in the way of the Muse.
Write it down!
Dialogue is usually what occurs to me first.
I have an entire file of snippets for The Butterfly Effect 2 that I
never used, but are too good to throw away...
> Outline or not?
Well... no, not really. Sort of.
I have goals. I have ideas of where the story is going.
But I don't sit down and write a scene-by-scene outline before I
actually write anything else. Even though some schools of writing
declare that Thou Shalt Write An Outline. I find that a bit...
dogmatic, myself.
Actually, now that I think of it, I *did* write an outline for one
story. Good story, too. But I can't actually remember whether I'd
started the actual writing before I started writing scene-goals
for the rest of the story. For that one, I did jump around, because
certain scenes didn't actually depend on other scenes.
The problem with jumping around is that you lose the flow, the
continuity, from one scene to the next. Not necessarily continuity of
plot, but continuity of... tone? The feel? The mood? Dunno.
> Know the end when starting, or not?
Absolutely. Can't write a story unless I have an end in mind.
Without that, it's just half an idea, which will be written down to be
worked on at some future date, when it has germinated.
The possible exceptions to this would be (a) a section of Round Robin
where I don't know what the end is going to be anyway,
and (b) a song-fic, where I'm trying to capture a mood, and so may
start the story without actually knowing where it's going.
> Long obsessive sessions, or an hour a day? Anybody?
Scribble in a notebook in the bus. Type it up when I get home.
Print out the current draft. Scribble edits on printout. Repeat.
I also I sit and edit and compose in front of the computer.
Long obessive sessions when I'm on a roll, on a weekend. Particularly
for song-fic or poetry, where I'm trying to get a mood. Play the song
over and over and over and over...
No way am I disciplined enough to do an hour a day.
I generally only work on one story at a time, though I may put a story
aside for a while and then come back to it.
Kathryn Andersen
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without danger. Do you still feel that way?
Dayna: I think I can do without excitement for a little while.
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 12:11:48 -0400
From: "Dana Shilling" <dshilling@worldnet.att.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: posts on Shrinker & treatment thereof.
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Gnog said:
> Actually, I like to think that the cave DID have an opening. In that case,
> leaving the gun means that Avon is giving Shrinker the option of using it
> rather than trying to find the exit.
I've always assumed that the cave is about two miles from Brent
Cross, and all Shrinker has to do is climb out, carjack somebody, and
be back in business.
-(Y)
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:38:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Carolan?= <carolan7@yahoo.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re:Wobblevision at Nexus
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Judith Proctor said:
> Servalan was drawn by David McIntee (imagine a
> middle-aged man with a
> beard and a Glaswegan accent if you don't know
> David).
Er, Judith - if Dave is middle-aged at 30+, what does
that make us?? 8-)
Carolan
(RoD Wobblevision's Vila)
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:51:09 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>, "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Stock equalization
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1) Murray, 2) Dana, 3) Ellynne:
> > >In the series, none of Servalan's
> > > enemies ever asserted that she was unfit for the offices she held
> > because
> > > she was a woman.
> > It would have been a little tough for LeGrand or Kasabi to say that,
> > wouldn't it?
> > -(Y)
> >
> At last, I understand how Kasabi and LeGrand messed up so easily. It was
> all part of an intricate scheme to undermine the Federation's faith in
> female leadership in general (one leader in particular). Sure, it was
> extreme, but they kept thinking what they could get away with if Travis
> was running the show. It might also explain a certain defense lawyer
> Travis had. She was really working for the other side.
And, to tie two online threads together neatly, this explains both why the
women on the Liberator didn't do much (afraid of fouling up this intricate
plan due to the fact that they were both naturally brilliant) and why Jenna
left (off to form an intricate scheme of her own).
For the interested, the Posthumous Memoirs of Secretary Rontane are now on
my website (at http://redrival.com/nyder/rontane.html). Be warned though,
it's not fanfic-- it's a gossip column.
Fiona
Fiona Moore
http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:22:20 +0100
From: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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From: Nyder <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
> > Fiona, in addition to Dayna and her father, and the two warlords, there
is
> > also an anonymous black individual in "Traitor,"
>
> OK, missed him. Still, not much, is it?
Since I can't recall anyone else mentioning them, there's also Ven Glynd's
aides in Voice.
Neil
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:30:03 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: <B7Morrigan@aol.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon
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Morrigan/Trish--
> publications. I shan't say another word. The last time this was
discussed,
> my company merged and changed its name, using Horizon and another word to
> form a new one.
NOT wanting to open that awful can of worms again, but I'm just dying to
know-- what was the other word? E-mail me privately if you like.
Fiona/Nyder
Fiona Moore
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:11:09 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Neil Faulkner" <N.Faulkner@tesco.net>, "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
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Neil
> From: Nyder <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
> > > Fiona, in addition to Dayna and her father, and the two warlords,
there
> is
> > > also an anonymous black individual in "Traitor,"
> >
> > OK, missed him. Still, not much, is it?
>
> Since I can't recall anyone else mentioning them, there's also Ven Glynd's
> aides in Voice.
Probably because we're all blocking Voice from our memories in self-defense.
Fiona (mee-ow!)
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:39:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Wendy S. Penberriss" <penberriss@yahoo.com>
To: B7Morrigan@aol.com, blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon
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--- B7Morrigan@aol.com wrote:
> Check the archives about 3 months ago
> (ftp://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/blake7/)
> for the discussion about the Horizon fan club, its
> director, and
> publications. I shan't say another word.
<reads>
<shudders>
No further questions!
Wendy
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:28:52 PDT
From: "Isobel Hamilton" <isobel19@hotmail.com>
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Subject: [B7L] Re. Zenith and Sally Knyvette
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>I'm not sure Jenna would have allowed Zen to pick up Avon, if she'd >gotten
>onboard first. I think she would have headed off to >concentrate on
>finding Blake, maybe picking up some new recruits of >her own
hmmm not sure about that myself. Despite all the divisions in the crew I
doubt any of them would have left another stranded after the evacuation.
Jenna and Avon may have had their differences but they also had their
moments of agreement. Avon obviously wanted the Liberator for himself but if
Blake had been down there wanting to be picked up he would have done it.
I've only just seen Aftermath and Powerplay for the first time, so I can't
comment after repeated viewings.. yet!
Also I have to add, I got my first 2 Together Again tapes in the mail
yesterday (Blakes Back and Liberatored) and I must say they are excellent!
I'm going to have to buy the others now :o)
Isobel
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 14:48:10 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
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Steve wrote:
<I'm not sure Jenna would have allowed Zen to pick up Avon, if she'd gotten
onboard first. I think she would have headed off to concentrate on finding
Blake, maybe picking up some new recruits of her own. By the time Avon had
Orac take over Zen and arrange a pick up, there could have been a number of
people on board loyal to Jenna - all looking for Blake.>
Mmm ... no, can't agree. Firstly *because* he had Orac, and could both
contact Zen and find out what was going on and use Orac to override Zen if
this was going on (note, he does tell Zen that urgent calls from the others
have priority over him, which indicates he expects them to do the same for
him. There is *some* trust there). Secondly because - mutual mistrust
notwithstanding - they were all in danger until they were picked up (these
*are* the galaxy's most wanted people, and it ain't just for Avon's sex
appeal) and I can't see her leaving even Avon in danger to go recruiting
(how long would she expect to leave her crewmates stranded while she goes
recruiting, BTW? Not nice.)
Thirdly, I think even *Jenna* has worked out by Star One that Avon will Do
The Right Thing by Blake as far as he can. As, IMO, he does - there *is*
evidence of a serious effort to find Blake early in 3rd season. Just not to
find Jenna :-).
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:24:32 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Horizon
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> Morrigan/Trish--
> > publications. I shan't say another word. The last time this was
> discussed,
> > my company merged and changed its name, using Horizon and another word to
> > form a new one.
>
Fiona asked:
> NOT wanting to open that awful can of worms again, but I'm just dying to
> know-- what was the other word? E-mail me privately if you like.
>
Oh, it's not that bad, unless you dislike the translation.
Veritas + Horizon = Verizen (the new combined Bell Atlantic & GTE)
My only complaint is that they are choosing to translate Veritas to mean
reliability.
For all of you who are snickering about the combination of Truth and Horizon,
remember we are not starting that discussion again! (said firmly)
You know, with the imaginations we apply to fanfic, we could probably make a
fortune as consultants to companies that merge and require new names (and do
a better job than most)
Morrigan (aka Trish)
"I don't mind rough. It's fatal I'm not too keen on. "
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:12:27 -0400
From: "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect.com>
To: "B7 Mailing List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
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Sally Manton replied
> Mmm ... no, can't agree. Firstly *because* he had Orac, and could both
> contact Zen and find out what was going on and use Orac to override Zen if
> this was going on (note, he does tell Zen that urgent calls from the
others
> have priority over him, which indicates he expects them to do the same for
> him. There is *some* trust there). Secondly because - mutual mistrust
> notwithstanding - they were all in danger until they were picked up (these
> *are* the galaxy's most wanted people, and it ain't just for Avon's sex
> appeal) and I can't see her leaving even Avon in danger to go recruiting
> (how long would she expect to leave her crewmates stranded while she goes
> recruiting, BTW? Not nice.)
Avon could be pretty sure that if Vila and Cally got back on board then they
would have gone looking for him - they both relied on him too much. I think
Jenna would have been okay with going looking for Blake, knowing Avon had
the help of Orac to survive.
> Thirdly, I think even *Jenna* has worked out by Star One that Avon will Do
> The Right Thing by Blake as far as he can. As, IMO, he does - there *is*
> evidence of a serious effort to find Blake early in 3rd season. Just not
to
> find Jenna :-).
This was only because Avon gave his word in person to Blake to hold off the
aliens until the Federation ships arrived. After that, Avon only went after
Blake when he needed him. At the end of series 4, he's known where Blake
was for a long time and admits he would have left him where he was if things
had gone right. I think they all knew this about Avon's character and Jenna
might have left him to fend for himself, and gone after Blake immediatly.
And I'm not sure there is an effort to find Blake early on in Series 3. He
makes contact with the Liberator a couple of times, they drop his name into
the negotiations on Obsidian in Volcano to try to get recruits, but that
seems about it.
Steve Dobson.
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:21:04 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Revolutions past
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Gnog said:
> Just read an interesting e-mail about the fate of the 50 odd professional
> people who signed the US declaration of independence. Basically it sounds
> like they all died,
I should hope so! They'd be mighty damn old by now otherwise! But some
lived to a ripe old age.
or ended up bankrupt. But the Americans still think they
> are better of without us ?
No! No! We don't want to be rid of you.
We like to read your novels, listen to your accents, mock your food...
oh, you mean better off without you ruling us?
Hmmm... woudl that mean no Gore vs. Bush race this year? That gets
tempting.
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:23:23 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Revolutions past
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> Gnog said:
> > Just read an interesting e-mail about the fate of the 50 odd professional
> > people who signed the US declaration of independence. Basically it sounds
> > like they all died,
> I should hope so! They'd be mighty damn old by now otherwise! But some
> lived to a ripe old age.
> or ended up bankrupt. But the Americans still think they
> > are better of without us ?
> No! No! We don't want to be rid of you.
> We like to read your novels, listen to your accents, mock your food...
> oh, you mean better off without you ruling us?
> Hmmm... woudl that mean no Gore vs. Bush race this year? That gets
> tempting.
As bad as the taxes are here in the US, I think I'll put up with Bore vs.Gush.
Anyway, Gnog, there is always a necessity for the child to toss off the apron
strings. Staying tied to one's mother (actual or country) for too long does
not usually have salutary effects on either. Besides, we're an affectionate
child. We write, come to visit, come to your defence, and do everything a
well-raised child should. Hell, even the "Sandbaggers" acknowledged our
special relationship. It's why France doesn't like us; they're jealous <g>
Morrigan (Trish)
"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:42:38 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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> Kathryn,
> >
> > I've still got 5 copies of Refractions #3 left, and 7 copies of #4.
> > Not to mention however many of #5 and #6.
> > Does anybody want them? It seems not. (grumble, grizzle, sigh)
>
Wanting and feeling free to blow money on something that does not serve
a useful purpose (my husband's job may be in jeopardy) is a different
matter. I generally like your tastes, Kathryn, so I feel any zine you
publish is worth reading.
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:53:43 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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> 'Twould be interesting to compare people's working styles. Quick
> or slow?
Slow.
Multiple drafts or one plus tweaking?
One. Very slight changes.
Beginning to end,
> or jumping around?
Mostly beginning to end. In longer works... new chapters for later begun
individually to give some plan.
Outline or not?
Not
Know the end when starting,
> or not?
Know the end.
Long obsessive sessions, or an hour a day?
Yes. If one or the other is not done, finishing it becomes unlikely.
Anybody?
Helen, once known as Avona.
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:07:06 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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>From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
>As bad as the taxes are here in the US, I think I'll put up with Bore
>vs.Gush.
Hahaha!
>Anyway, Gnog, there is always a necessity for the child to toss off the
>apron
>strings.
Trish, don't do that, please. You'll wake up Darren the rampant monarchist.
Let him sleep.
Regards
Joanne
(who isn't going to take either side of the Australian republic debate
seriously until they stop whingeing at each other)
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:18:32 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Revolutions past
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> >From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
> >As bad as the taxes are here in the US, I think I'll put up with Bore
> >vs.Gush.
>
> Hahaha!
>
> >Anyway, Gnog, there is always a necessity for the child to toss off the
> >apron
> >strings.
>
> Trish, don't do that, please. You'll wake up Darren the rampant
monarchist.
> Let him sleep.
>
> Regards
> Joanne
> (who isn't going to take either side of the Australian republic debate
> seriously until they stop whingeing at each other)
Joanne,
What fun! Could Darren do a monarchists' version of B7? I suppose it would
change everything, wouldn't it?
If you waiting for politicians to stop whingeing, it might be C30.
Morrigan (Trish)
"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:39:39 EST
From: "J MacQueen" <j_macqueen@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Revolutions past
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>From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
>If you waiting for politicians to stop whingeing, it might be C30.
If it were only the politicians... It's the "I know what's best for you, so
nyah!" brigade on both sides that I'm worried about. It's Vargas v Vargas,
really (if you *want* to imagine two Brian Blesseds yelling "I rule" at each
other).
Regards
Joanne
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:26:49 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re:Wobblevision at Nexus
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On Tue 11 Jul, Carolan wrote:
>
>
> Judith Proctor said:
> > Servalan was drawn by David McIntee (imagine a
> > middle-aged man with a
> > beard and a Glaswegan accent if you don't know
> > David).
>
> Er, Judith - if Dave is middle-aged at 30+, what does
> that make us?? 8-)
Well, if the years of our days are three score and ten, then I'm err, going to
lie about my age <grin>
Judith
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:26:15 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>, adamspossie@netscapeonline.co.uk
Subject: [B7L] Winspit quarry trip
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The trip to Winspit quarry is definitely on.
Winspit is where 'Games' was filmed and Dr Who used the site as well.
The rendezvous is at Wareham station around 12am on Sunday 30 July.
If you're coming, please let me know in advance so I can make sure we don't
leave without anyone. We'll share cars, so anyone arriving by rail will be able
to get a lift. (We rendezvous at the station because it's easy to find on the
map and has free parking on Sundays.)
You'll need to bring a packed lunch, a water pistol or supersoaker (or a bottle
of water to throw at people if all else fails), plus a good pair of shoes. A
container for carrying water is also handy (as there's no tap at the quarry -
you have to carry your ammunition supply). A change of clothes is optional, but
a dry t-shirt might come in handy.
Basically, this is an excuse to run in and out of caves zapping fellow fans
while using the excuse that it's a good occasion to take a photo of a Mecronian
cave or Belkov's base or where Tarrant and co teleported down. It's cheaper
than paintball and lots of fun and the view over the Dorset coast is fantastic.
Everyone welcome regardless of age, (children are fine - they'll have a great
time as long as they're old enough to walk a mile or so), gender, planet of
origin, etc. Non-combatants also welcome. We generally have a neutral area
where the ore-carts unloaded, so you can sit there and chat to people who are
having a break from the shoot-out.
Judith
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:30:35 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
Subject: [B7L] new caption picture
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We've just uploaded the next picture for the caption contest. See what you make
of this one... http://www.hermit.org/Blakes7
We've also added a special page to thank everyone who's contibuted material to
the site. We really appreciate all the zine reviews, convention diaries, essays
and other material. We hope we haven't missed anyone out, but apologise if we
have.
Judith
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:40:13 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Revolutions past
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On Tue, 11 Jul 2000 18:21:04 -0700 Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
writes:
> Gnog said:
> > Just read an interesting e-mail about the fate of the 50 odd
> professional
> > people who signed the US declaration of independence. Basically it
> sounds
> > like they all died,
Blake would have loved them. Even Avon might have had some difficulty
being cynical.
But the Americans still think they
> > are better of without us ?
Couldn't it be the other way around? Do you really want to be too
closely associated with a country that made hamburgers its ambassador to
the world?
> oh, you mean better off without you ruling us?
> Hmmm... woudl that mean no Gore vs. Bush race this year? That gets
> tempting.
>
Wait, no Clinton administration? Ever? No listening to people defend a
slimey back stabber who you can't even saterize because he always turns
around and lives down to (and below) your worst expectations? No
listening to Gore explain he had nothing to do with Clinton and barely
knows the man? No listening to Gore supporters explain that the scandals
don't mean anything because all politicians are like that and Bush must
be just as bad, even if they can't think of any specifics? No listening
to how complete lack of personal intergrity doesn't matter so long as the
economy's good (kind of like the Federation being glad to take profits
from Shadow)?
Hmm, and your flag has a nice color scheme, too.
Ellynne
(Who is actually a dyed in the wool Yankee even if she does spend an
inordinate amount of time salivating over certain British TV shows [and
who, come to think of it, knows all the words to 'God Save the
Queen'....(hey, my ancestors only came here to avoid being massacred for
their beliefs and stuff like that)]).
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:13:08 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Revolutions past
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At 12:40 AM 7/12/00 -0600, Ellynne G. wrote:
>Ellynne
...
>who, come to think of it, knows all the words to 'God Save the
>Queen'
Yeah, me too. "...she ain't no human bein'..." (but without her we'd be
forced to put Chretien's face on all our coins)
Are there faces on the money in the far-flung future of B7? And if so, how
many people did Sleer have to kill because they looked down at the cash she
was handing them to buy slaves or whatever and then looked at *her* and
said Hmm, you know, you look very familiar...
Nah. The implausible part is imagining she'd ever actually *pay* for anything.
Lookin' For Trouble,
Penny
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:41:13 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Revolutions past
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Trish wrote:
> Anyway, Gnog, there is always a necessity for the child to toss off the
apron
> strings. Staying tied to one's mother (actual or country) for too long
does
> not usually have salutary effects on either. Besides, we're an
affectionate
> child. We write, come to visit, come to your defence, and do everything a
> well-raised child should.
And then produce films which don't mention us at all <vbg>
> Hell, even the "Sandbaggers" acknowledged our
> special relationship.
<longing sigh> If there is *anyone* out there who can help me track down
episodes of this, they will have my eternal gratitude.
Una
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 00:58:51 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
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Steve wrote:
<After that, Avon only went after Blake when he needed him. At the end
of series 4, he's known where Blake was for a long time and admits he
would have left him where he was if things had gone right.>
Well, that's what Avon says, but he's being decidedly less than frank
and open at this point anyway ... and as I said in a loooong post not
long ago, there's little evidence either way, but enough to make a case that
he/they did too search - not all the time, not obsessively, but seriously
enough to be veeerrry noticeable to at least one outsider ...
And I don't need much evidence to add it to my personal canon :-)
(PS - if anyone actually *wants* to hear the argument again, write to
me not the Lyst - I'm not re-inflicting it on those who were bored with it
the first time :-))
<Jenna might have left him to fend for himself, and gone after Blake
immediatly.>
For Blake, quite possibly. For recruiting purposes, no, can't see it
(if she would, it says something about Jenna I don't like). Although I
have to admit, the *fanfic* idea of Jenna doing this, something
nasty happening to Avon in the interim and Fearless Leader's reaction (he
does *not* like his people put at risk for what he doesn't consider bloody
good reason) is extremely appealing ...
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:00:00 +0200
From: Steve Kilbane <steve@whitecrow.demon.co.uk>
To: "Blake's 7 list" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of
stock)
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Kathryn wrote:
> I have goals. I have ideas of where the story is going.
> But I don't sit down and write a scene-by-scene outline before I
> actually write anything else. Even though some schools of writing
> declare that Thou Shalt Write An Outline. I find that a bit...
> dogmatic, myself.
Well, there are two poles on that scale, ranging from plotting
every scene in advance, to starting with a single character, and
just "watching what they do next". People usually find themselves
on one side or another, and the other approach doesn't work for them.
I like to at least have the beats of the story broken down, but
beginning and end are absolute musts - otherwise I can't begin.
It's like mountain climbing: you need the gear, and you need a
mountain.
> I generally only work on one story at a time, though I may put a story
> aside for a while and then come back to it.
I usually have background notes germinating for half a dozen, in my
head, with one story being the actively in-progress one, at a time.
steve
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:47:45 +0200
From: Steve Kilbane <steve@whitecrow.demon.co.uk>
To: "B7 List" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Bleeding onto the page
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Marian wrote:
> I too find it much easier to
> rewrite what's already there so at first I just keep on writing even though
> I know it's bad. On going over it again and again I gradually adjust it
> until I'm satisfied.
Oo, [envy]. I find it very difficult to edit. Away from the page, it's ok -
I know what I want to write, what its texture is. Once I read what I've
already written, that tends to take over, and I lose what I had in my head.
The best way to describe it is that the existing story has momentum,
and it takes effort to steer it in the direction I want it to go.
> Then I let it rest story for a few weeks and go back to it and find a lot of
> things which need changing that escaped me earlier. I can keep tinkering
> with it forever and at some time just have to say: "Enough!"
I can always find some reason why my stories still needs work. :-/
steve
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Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:24:28 +0200
From: Steve Kilbane <steve@whitecrow.demon.co.uk>
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of
stock)
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> LOL, something in common. I often spend an all-nighter coming
> up with three sentences (and occasionally erase those the next day).
cf Oscar Wilde (it was him and his comma, wasn't it?)
> 'Twould be interesting to compare people's working styles. Quick
> or slow? Multiple drafts or one plus tweaking? Beginning to end,
> or jumping around? Outline or not? Know the end when starting,
> or not? Long obsessive sessions, or an hour a day? Anybody?
Personally, I write most when I'm in bed, supposedly trying to sleep.
I get the general sense of whole chunks of text worked up, and then I
put them down on paper. It can take weeks for this to accumulate in
my head before I actually write it.
'Course, for any given story, there's only so much text I can hold in
my head at once, which might explain why I haven't written a novel yet. :-)
steve
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 02:28:24 -0700
From: mistral@ptinet.net
To: B7 List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: Bleeding onto the page (was Re: Re [B7L] Pressure Point out of
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Steve Kilbane wrote:
> > LOL, something in common. I often spend an all-nighter coming
> > up with three sentences (and occasionally erase those the next day).
>
> cf Oscar Wilde (it was him and his comma, wasn't it?)
<g> Well, if I wrote half so well, it would be worth the agony.
I'm so enjoying hearing how everybody works; I'll answer my own
questions, just to be fair:
> > Quick or slow?
Nonfiction, in the middle on the quick side. Nonfiction's easy. With
fiction, very fast or very slow; practically never in the middle. Fast
is bliss, a high, and slow is agony (hence the thread title.) Oddly, the
quality seems pretty much the same fast or slow. I attribute this to
having to get the words very close to what I really want in order to
have the story flow--for me it's not so much about what happens as
in how you tell it. I hear the rhythm in my head, and it's right for me,
or it's not.
> > Multiple drafts or one plus tweaking?
One plus tweaking. But I want to try the multiple drafts thing.
> > Beginning to end, or jumping around? Outline or not?
> > Know the end when starting, or not?
I have to know where I'm going. I was always told to choose
your characters, put them in a situation, and see what happens.
It just doesn't work for me; I'd get bogged down at about 30%
done--at the break between the beginning and the middle. Then
last year I tried outlining, and all I can say is, WOW! I keep it
very flexible; just a list of scenes that tell me where, who, which
viewpoint, and what has to happen in the scene to move the
story forward. As bits of dialogue, action, gags occur to me, they
get tacked on to the end of the file, and moved to the appropriate
scene when I know which one that is. If I know something has
to be revealed in scene 12, I can go back and plant clues in 3
and 7; and I can keep making adjustments, even as writing. I'm
much less likely to leave out something that has to be in. Another
big plus is that I can work on whichever scene inspires me on
that particular day--which in turn leads to more flow and less
crawl. And the simple outline is flexible enough to make changes
if a scene takes an unexpected turn.
When working on a particular scene, if it's too cumbersome to
write from beginning to end, I'll start with a script-like rough draft;
dialogue plus stage directions. If there's so much that has to go in
the scene I can't even get there logically, I write each piece of
the scene I do know on a Post-It and rearrange them and fill in
until the scene makes sense.
The only downside to all this is that it means all the most difficult/
least inspiring scenes are left for last; I get bogged down at 90%
instead of 30%, LOL.
> > Long obsessive sessions, or an hour a day?
Long obsessive sessions when it's going well. When it's slow, it
varies with my patience, but I try to get *something* done each
day. Taking a walk or other physical activity helps; and my best
trick is to tell myself I am NOT going to write today--I spend the
day doing all the household chores that have gone begging so that
the writing would be done, I don't even answer e-mail, sometimes
don't turn on the computer, just work really hard at *anything*
else that's useful and productive. Then I sit down just before
bedtime and write for an hour or two--many times I get as much
down as if I'd tried to write for eight hours.
I'm going to try tacking the pages on the wall next. <g>
Mistral
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 09:45:18 +0200
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Cc: B7 Mailing List <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Zenith & Sally Knyvette
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In message <004501bfeb9e$71e11600$1a0e9ad8@cgorman>, Christine+Steve
<cgorman@idirect.com> writes
>This was only because Avon gave his word in person to Blake to hold off the
>aliens until the Federation ships arrived. After that, Avon only went after
>Blake when he needed him.
Terminal...
--
Julia Jones
"Don't philosophise with me, you electronic moron!"
The Turing test - as interpreted by Kerr Avon.
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:22:39 EDT
From: Mac4781@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Revolutions past
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Penny (on Servalan):
> Nah. The implausible part is imagining she'd ever actually *pay* for
anything.
LOL
Sorry to be off topic, but this reminds me of the mind-boggling (to me)
question of what can't-be-without-them items are inside the Queen's handbag
(that I've seen hanging from her arm in many a picture)?
coins for phone calls
her tube pass
pics of the grandkids to show people she might meet what they look like
Getting back to B7, I love it that Servalan strolls around without so much as
a mini-purse for necessities. She expects the rest of the universe to
provide her with anything she needs. I like her style.
Carol Mc
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:42:34 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Revolutions past
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Carol wrote:
> Sorry to be off topic, but this reminds me of the mind-boggling (to me)
> question of what can't-be-without-them items are inside the Queen's
handbag
> (that I've seen hanging from her arm in many a picture)?
>
> pics of the grandkids to show people she might meet what they look like
So that'll be some stamps <g>
I want to know if the Queen Mum is going to get a telegram from the Queen
when she turns 100. This one has been puzzling me since I was about 5. Only
a few weeks now, and it'll all become clear at last.
Una
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Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 08:06:45 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "Blake's 7 (Lysator)" <BLAKES7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Watch out Mr Faulkner
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The Times, July 12:
The owner of a penguin that disappeared in Sheerness, Kent, while it was
being taken to the vet, has appealed for its return. The man stopped his
van to use a cash machine, but when he returned the bird had gone. The
penguin was fed on water, sardines and cat food.
Harriet
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