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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 166
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Re: Orac's loyalties, Volcano
Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts
Re: [B7L] shooting question
Re: [B7L] Travis
[B7L] Re: B7 Bedtime Stories - Sleeping Beauty
Re: [B7L] shooting question
Re: [B7L] Quex Park museum visit (was Bounty) and locations
[B7L] Re: Boo!
[B7L] Re: Orac
Re: [B7L] shooting question
Re: [B7L] Orac
Re: [B7L] shooting question
Re: [B7L] shooting question
Re: [B7L] Re: FC: Josette Simon
Fwd: [B7L] Re: Orac
Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
Re: [B7L] Boo!
RE: [B7L] Quex Park museum visit (was Bounty) and locations
Re: [B7L] Types of Cats
Re: [B7L] Animals (Was Josette Simon)
Re: [B7L] shooting question
Re: [B7L] shooting question
Re: [B7L] shooting question
Re: [B7L] shooting question
Re: [B7L] Quex Park museum visit (was Bounty) and locations
Re: [B7L] Animals (Was Josette Simon)
Re: [B7L] Animals (Was Josette Simon)
Re: [B7L] Animals (Was Josette Simon)
Re: [B7L] shooting question
Re: [B7L] Re: Boo!
Re: [B7L] Animals (Was Josette Simon)
Re: [B7L] Animals (Was Josette Simon)
[B7L] Re: Travis
Re: [B7L] Animals (Was Josette Simon)
Re: Fwd: [B7L] Re: Orac
Re: [B7L] Types of Cats
Re: [B7L] Animals (Was Josette Simon)
[B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 08:11:29 -0700
From: Helen Krummenacker <avona@jps.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Orac's loyalties, Volcano
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Maybe the box was telling the future again... he saw the heroes having a
better chance if events were forced than if the Federation had to figure
things out for itself.
I've felt any PGP I might right would utilize ORAC getting fed up with
being used by the Federation and getting Avon out of whatever
brain-controlled state he was in. Avon seems to be ORACs pet among
humans.
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 17:35:27 +0100
From: "David A McIntee" <Master@allisurvey.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Judith Proctor" <Judith@blakes-7.com>,
"Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts
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> From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
> >
> > I'd do it but for the fact that my floppy drive has given up the ghost
and
> > died, and my copies of the transcripts are all on floppies..
>
> Fear not. You can find all the transcripts on my web site as well as at
> Lysator.
>
> Darn, there goes your excuse <grin>
Well, that and the two books I have to write between now and February...
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 17:37:18 +0100
From: "David A McIntee" <Master@allisurvey.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] shooting question
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> For a story I'm writing I need to know how Liberator's cannons (or
whatever
> they're called) work. Does Liberator's nose has to point towards the
target
> in order to aim or can the cannons be turned independent of the ship's
> position?
As far as we know, yes.
>
> I can only remember one occasion of Liberator firing, in Volcano, and
there
> the ship seems to be shooting straight forward. Are there any occasions
> where the cannons shoot sideways or to the rear?
They defend themselves against pursuers a couple of times (notably
Redemption) but this always seems to be with some kind of smart,
self-guiding missiles ("seekers")
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 10:30:57 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis
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On Fri 16 Jun, Nyder wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jessica Taylor <morgaine54@hotmail.com>
> To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 10:54 PM
> Subject: [B7L] Travis
>
>
> > Can anyone help me,
> > What exactly do you think Travis's motives were. That is was his crusade
> > against Blake solely about getting revenge or was there some patriotism
> > there too. I'm trying to write something and it's bugging me.
>
> I'm most inclined to go with the character portrait from "The Final Act"
> (some of you are going "well she would, wouldn't she?" :) )-- that in a
> sense, the only family, the only society Travis knew was the military.
> Notice how he toes the party line with Servalan regardless of whether he
> agrees with her actions, cos she's the commander; how he'll go all out for a
> fellow soldier, simply because he's "one of ours." Without the military,
> Travis' mental state, which had previously been simply obsessive, tips over
> into downright insanity.
>
> So I'm not sure it's so much patriotism as, in a sense, "family" loyalty;
> Blake, being against the Federation and thus against its military (not to
> mention not adverse to causing the deaths of a few of its members), is
> raising two fingers to the institution which is effectively the source of
> Travis' personal identity.
>
> So I'd say revenge was a big part of it, but I'm not sure about the other
> bit. You can call that sort of loyalty patriotism if you like, but since
> it's loyalty to an institution, not necessarily a country (empire,
> mega-state, whatever), I'm not inclined to call it that.
>
> "He broke the rules." "Which rules are those?" "The only ones that matter.
> Ours."
>
>
> Fiona
>
> Fiona Moore
> http://redrival.com/nyder/indexx.html
> Resist the Host or your Oneness will be Absorbed
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 12:44:21 -0600 (MDT)
From: Betty Ragan <bragan@aoc.nrao.edu>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: B7 Bedtime Stories - Sleeping Beauty
Message-Id: <200006171844.MAA15592@zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU>
Ellyne wrote:
> > Feh. I couldn't get past "Once there was a little rebel named Blake
> > whose government had warned him never to go walking in the deep,
> > dark
> > woods outside the dome." But, you know, "The Way Back" simply
> > doesn't map onto "Goldilocks." :)
> >
> Well, I don't know about Goldilocks, but once there was a little boy
> names Avon. . .
There, see, I knew if I looked pitiful enough someone else would come
along and do it *right*! :) This was great!
--
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Not speaking for my employers, officially or otherwise.
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tough steak for the smothered onions..." -- Isaac Asimov
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 18:53:58 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] shooting question
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On Sat 17 Jun, Marian de Haan wrote:
> For a story I'm writing I need to know how Liberator's cannons (or whatever
> they're called) work. Does Liberator's nose has to point towards the target
> in order to aim or can the cannons be turned independent of the ship's
> position?
The neutron blasters always fire forwards. Don't forget to raise the neutron
flare shields before use.
A lot of useful reference material for writers can be found in the
Sevencyclopaedia on my web site. Neil Faulkner did a massive amount of work on
it and it's being added to by Murray Smith and the occasion tiny bit from
myself.
We're also adding pictures to the on-line version - it's an ongoing process, but
every month or so, more appear.
Judith
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Redemption '01 23-25 Feb 2001 http://www.smof.com/redemption/
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 19:01:11 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Quex Park museum visit (was Bounty) and locations
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On ?, Ika wrote:
> PS: Dragging Bounty back in by hook or by crook: isn't it a tragedy that I
> never started watching B7 till I moved out of Kent? (Though now I live near -
> taran-tara - Leeds University. Oh, hey, this can be on topic after all.
> Anybody know which episodes used which bits of Leeds University? I was all over-
> excited when I thought I spotted a lecture hall in Voice from the Past, but
> apparently that's in Wembley.)
Children of Auron - the cloning plant is the Leeds Metropolitan
Universite building department.
We've a list of locations on the web site - if you could take a photo of the
building as it is now, we'd love to have one to put up with a picture from the
episode for comparison.
Judith
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 12:46:19 -0600 (MDT)
From: Betty Ragan <bragan@aoc.nrao.edu>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Boo!
Message-Id: <200006171846.MAA15628@zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU>
Una wrote:
> Wotcha, everyone.
>
> Well, the arms are damn near fine, and I was feeling deprived of all that
> lovely friendly Blakey email popping into my inbox.
Hi, Una! Coincidentally, I was just thinking about you, as I've
finally gotten around to reading _A Stitch in Time_. But that's
woefully off-topic here, I guess...
--
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Not speaking for my employers, officially or otherwise.
"Seeing a rotten picture for the special effects is like eating a
tough steak for the smothered onions..." -- Isaac Asimov
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 13:13:17 -0600 (MDT)
From: Betty Ragan <bragan@aoc.nrao.edu>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Orac
Message-Id: <200006171913.NAA16384@zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU>
> Did Orac have loyalties? I like to think he did, and for a story
> I'm trying to work out in my head, it may be relevent, but I keep
> running up against Volcano.
Well, I don't know about his motives in "Volcano," but personally, I
don't think Orac *did* have much in the way of loyalties. Well, OK, I
think he kind of liked Avon (there were those declarations of undying
love in "Sand," if nothing else :)), and he seems at least somewhat
concerned about Blake in "Voice," but I don't think he cared much
about the rest of them one way or another, except to the extent that
his safety was linked with theirs. He certainly doesn't seem inclined
to be particularly helpful, and sometimes his level of unhelpfulness
is downright perverse. (A prime example of this is in "Stardrive,"
where Orac's noticed something of tremendous potential interest to the
crew... and refuses to tell them about it, even though it'd take him
ten seconds to explain it, and it takes them hours and hours to go
through all the scanner records by themselves. Of course, Avon annoys
me just as much in that scene -- there's no doubt in my mind that he,
at least, could have persuaded Orac to talk. (Of course, Avon could be
perversely unhelpful, himself, sometimes ("Redemption"), so they've got
something in common...)) And then there's "Orbit..." Everybody gets
on Avon's case about what he (nearly) did, but just whose idea was it
to space Vila in the first place, hmm?
--
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Not speaking for my employers, officially or otherwise.
"Seeing a rotten picture for the special effects is like eating a
tough steak for the smothered onions..." -- Isaac Asimov
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 21:44:37 +0100 (BST)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] shooting question
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On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, Judith Proctor wrote:
> The neutron blasters always fire forwards. Don't forget to raise the neutron
> flare shields before use.
Radiation flare shields, shirley.
Iain
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:01:00 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: "Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Orac
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>Can anyone give me a convincing reason why Orac sells out the crew?
>
Judith,
Two options.
1) Orac is just a computer, and the crew don't know how to work it properly,
so it seems a little awkward to interface with. In this case, Orac would
respond to anybody who entered the correct password (had the key).
2) Orac is a genuine artificial intelligence, and shows human traits, like
acting superior, being stroppy, throwing tantrums (he is about 2 years old
isn't e ?) insisting on playing with black holes when he knows they are
dangerous (OK, about four). In this case, he is captured, with no visible
means of rescue by a crew with less intelligence than a ZX81. He has an eye
to the main chance, and decides to help his new masters, rather than be
tossed into the volcano.
Just MHO
Gnog
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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 22:16:52 +0100
From: "Andrew Ellis" <Andrew.D.Ellis@btinternet.com>
To: <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] shooting question
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>For a story I'm writing I need to know how Liberator's cannons (or whatever
>they're called) work. Does Liberator's nose has to point towards the target
>in order to aim or can the cannons be turned independent of the ship's
>position?
>
>I can only remember one occasion of Liberator firing, in Volcano, and there
>the ship seems to be shooting straight forward. Are there any occasions
>where the cannons shoot sideways or to the rear?
>
The phrase, "as targets bear" springs to mind from that very episode. Just
looking at the structure of the ship, I would guess that you could steer the
beams by a up to say 10 degree's, but not much more (and I am willing to be
persuaded less). Cally does target and range the blasters in Shadow, and the
target does not move on the main screen as a consequence of the ship
turning, but there could be many reasons for that. I would not imagine that
the main blasters could shoot side-ways or rear-wards. Recall in redemption,
if somebody was chasing me, and I could run and shoot backwards, I would
definitely shoot, even with poor targeting. Lack of rear facing guns follows
years of aviation history. Don't ask me why, I often think, in these you
chase me, I'll chase you dogfight scenes (WWII and SciFi), how useful rear
facing guns or counter measures would be.
Gnog
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 17:25:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: "rita d'orac" <orac@inorbit.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] shooting question
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On Saturday 17 June Iain Coleman wrote:
> The neutron blasters always fire forwards. Don't forget to raise the neutron
> flare shields before use.
>Radiation flare shields, shirley.
>Iain
i thing it was "put up the force wall, activate the radiation flare shield, and clear the neutron blasters for firing"
rita
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 22:32:43 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: FC: Josette Simon
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Sally wrote:
> Actually, Una, didn't you miss my confession that I'm developing a soft
spot
> for the wretched thing? (I still haven't worked out if it's in my heart or
> head.)
<punches air> Ye-es!
Come to the dark side...
> I know my faltering approbation isn't as impressive as an official award
> OTOH, it's probably the closest Animals will come ...)
Ah, but 'Animals' has its own website. What more could 50 minutes of TV ask
for?
Una
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 14:41:51 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Fwd: [B7L] Re: Orac
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Betty wrote:
<I don't think Orac *did* have much in the way of loyalties. Well, OK, I
think he kind of liked Avon (there were those declarations of undying
love in "Sand," if nothing else :)),>
Avon was Orac's very favourite toy.
<and he seems at least somewhat concerned about Blake in "Voice,">
and while I agree with you, this is *very* hard to explain, since I don't
think Blake was one of Orac's favourite people *at all* (he was rather
harder to put off than the others, tended to give quite explicit
instructions and counter any long-winded querulousness with a "get on with
it". Methinks Blake got on much better with Zen.) My personal canon involves
a *lot* of complaining from Orac each time Avon told him to start looking
for Fearless Leader again ...
But there's no doubt that Orac is, for Orac, quite amazingly helpful and
non-argumentative in "Voice".
Possibly the whole mental tampering bit is something that pushes buttons in
the part of his personality that came from Ensor? Or we missed the scene
where Avon threatened him with a rusty laser probe and an acid-bath if there
was *one word* of protest?
<A prime example of this is in "Stardrive," where Orac's noticed something
of tremendous potential interest to the crew... and refuses to tell them
about it <snip> of course, Avon annoys me just as much in that scene -
there's no doubt in my mind that he, at least, could have persuaded Orac to
talk.>
But *none* of them even *try* to :-(
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 14:50:14 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
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Una wrote:
<'Animals' has its own website.>
She has a point, people. As far as I know, it's the only B7 episode thought
worthy of the honour.
<What more could 50 minutes of TV ask for?>
Screen captures. Masses of them *for* the website (you know, like Lisa's
peerless collection - BTW, Lisa, do you accept bribes?) Collected slowly and
lovingly while watching the whole 50 minutes in slow motion ... you can do
it ...
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:16:54 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
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Sally wrote:
> Una wrote:
> <What more could 50 minutes of TV ask for?>
>
> Screen captures. Masses of them *for* the website (you know, like Lisa's
> peerless collection - BTW, Lisa, do you accept bribes?) Collected slowly
and
> lovingly while watching the whole 50 minutes in slow motion ... you can do
> it ...
Mmm... Sorry, just entered my own personal heaven there.
I put in my request for 'Animals' every time Lisa asks, but clearly everyone
else's vote is going astray. It's the only explanation.
Una
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:18:56 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Boo!
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Marian:
> >From Una:
> ><dabs eyes> Neil, you always say the nicest things <sob>
>
> Give him a big hug, Una.
Oh, I'm much too shy.
Una
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:25:46 +-100
From: Louise Rutter <Louise.Rutter@btinternet.com>
To: "'B7 Lysator'" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: RE: [B7L] Quex Park museum visit (was Bounty) and locations
Message-ID: <01BFD8B3.612DCB80@host5-99-52-50.btinternet.com>
>If only. I was actually in - wait for it - Herne Bay (not *quite* Thanet.
Or >so we like to tell ourselves), and as you probably know there's an
ancient >Kentish law specifying that you aren't allowed to live there if
you're over >14 or under 70.
>Love Ika
That's really scary - when were you in Herne Bay? I lived there for 3
years.
Every time I mentioned where I lived someone would say "Oh, my
Grandma/aunt/other relative retired there"....
Louise
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 01:02:33 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: "Christine+Steve" <cgorman@idirect.com>, <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Types of Cats
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----- Original Message -----
From: Christine+Steve <cgorman@idirect.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [B7L] Types of Cats
> There's something in Outlook Express which doesn't like his messages.
> Before you open his messages, you need to right click on it and select
> properties. Click on the details tab, then click on Message Source. The
> message will show up in a special window.
Thanks heaps, and sorry to bother the rest of you.
Fiona
Fiona Moore
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 21:40:25 -0500
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Animals (Was Josette Simon)
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Una McCormack wrote:
>I put in my request for 'Animals' every time Lisa asks, but clearly
>everyone else's vote is going astray. It's the only explanation.
For the record, "Animals" did get *two* votes last time.
(I'm having a hard enough time gritting my teeth and doing captures for
"Rumours", which is one of my least favorite episodes but which was a clear
front-runner in the votes so I'm going to do it and get it over with.)
- Lisa
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 03:42:58 +0100
From: "Pat Sumner" <pat@freedomcity.fsnet.co.uk>
To: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] shooting question
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----- Original Message -----
From: Marian de Haan <maya@multiweb.nl>
> For a story I'm writing I need to know how Liberator's cannons (or
whatever
> they're called) work. Does Liberator's nose has to point towards the
target
> in order to aim or can the cannons be turned independent of the ship's
> position?
In general, the Neutron Blasters (TM) on the Liberator were seen to fire
directly forward.
The Technical Manual (I think) suggests that the 'pylons' - the structures
around the sharp pointy bit on the blaster could apply magnetic fields to
deflect the beam (up to about 30 degrees I think) away from forward.
I realise that the term 'sharp pointy bit' is somewhat inaccurate (and
tautological), but hell, 'tis half past three am in the morning!
By the way, can anyone help me alter my subscription details? I'm currently
on the Digest form, but I'd sooner just receive a large email than one with
the messages as individual attachments. I'm a little wary of attachments.
Maybe I should reconfigure my e-mail program (Outlook) as a drinks
dispenser - or an empty space! I think it would look good as an empty space.
-misquote from 'Pseudonym' (B7 episode where the crew go to witness the
Teal-Vandor war, from which I cannot remember the title)
Pat
(Got it! Death-Watch!)
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 00:25:25 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] shooting question
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Gnog wrote
> Lack of rear facing guns follows
> years of aviation history. Don't ask me why, I often think, in these you
> chase me, I'll chase you dogfight scenes (WWII and SciFi), how useful rear
> facing guns or counter measures would be.
>
I believe rear-facing guns were used in WWII in the larger aircraft, e.g.
bombers, which also had turret gunners, etc.
IMHO, the fighters were generally manned by one person who was concentrating
on flying the aircraft and firing the weapons. The pilot would be unlikely
to see clearly enough what was behind him to make use of rear-facing guns. I
recall that the skill of the pilot in flying, rather than skill in firing,
was usually the determining factor in the winner of dog-fights.
What do I know? My granddad was a bombardier in WWII, he didn't fire the
darn guns.
Trish
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 01:00:24 -0700
From: Nick Moffitt <nick@zork.net>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] shooting question
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begin Judith Proctor quotation:
> The neutron blasters always fire forwards. Don't forget to raise
> the neutron flare shields before use.
The official command is "Zen, put up the radiation flare shields,
and clear the neutron blasters for firing."
Quoth The Web:
BLAKE: Vila.
VILA: Yes.
BLAKE: It's time to use the neutron blasters.
VILA: At last. I've been looking forward to this.
BLAKE: Take it easy. It might blow us all up. Se if you can blast a
hole through that web. Fire.
[Vila attempts to fire. An alarm sounds.]
ZEN: Neutron flare shield has not been activated.
VILA: Which one's that?
BLAKE: Activate the neutron flare shield.
ZEN: Confirmed. Blasters are cleared for firing.
[Vila fires. Main viewscreen shows the blasters clear a hole in the
web. it begins to close up again immediately.]
This appears to be the only place I could find where it was referred
to as a "neutron flare shield".
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 01:08:35 -0700
From: Nick Moffitt <nick@zork.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] shooting question
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> > Lack of rear facing guns follows years of aviation history. Don't
> > ask me why, I often think, in these you chase me, I'll chase you
> > dogfight scenes (WWII and SciFi), how useful rear facing guns or
> > counter measures would be.
>
> I believe rear-facing guns were used in WWII in the larger aircraft,
> e.g. bombers, which also had turret gunners, etc.
>
> IMHO, the fighters were generally manned by one person who was
> concentrating on flying the aircraft and firing the weapons. The
> pilot would be unlikely to see clearly enough what was behind him to
> make use of rear-facing guns. I recall that the skill of the pilot
> in flying, rather than skill in firing, was usually the determining
> factor in the winner of dog-fights.
This was true mainly because of a certain romanticism applied
to dogfights in the early WWI days. It wasn't until much later that
someone noted that the highest percentage of kills were performed by a
skilled marksman on a surprise strafing run.
Before this study was performed, airplane designers had worked
on making a craft more maneuverable, such that the pilot could wrench
himself out of the firing path of a pursuer. Afer this study was
made, more credence was given to monoplanes and faster engines.
Each time a faster engine or airplane has come out, it has
been heralded as the end of dogfighting. And yet, dogfighting skills
continue to be useful.
As for rear-mounted guns, they tend to be difficult to mount
on modern planes. Your jet engines tend to be in the rear, and you
can't mount them around the engine without ruining your aerodynamics.
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 01:11:49 -0700
From: Nick Moffitt <nick@zork.net>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Quex Park museum visit (was Bounty) and locations
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begin Ika quotation:
> and as you probably know there's an ancient Kentish law specifying
> that you aren't allowed to live there if you're over 14 or under 70.
But isn't EVERYBODY either over 14 or under 70?
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 09:11:39 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: "lysator" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Animals (Was Josette Simon)
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Lisa Williams wrote:
> Una McCormack wrote:
>
> >I put in my request for 'Animals' every time Lisa asks, but clearly
> >everyone else's vote is going astray. It's the only explanation.
>
> For the record, "Animals" did get *two* votes last time.
What?!? That absolutely beggars belief!
Una
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 04:30:11 EDT
From: B7Morrigan@aol.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Animals (Was Josette Simon)
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>> > Una McCormack wrote:
> >
> > >I put in my request for 'Animals' every time Lisa asks, but clearly
> > >everyone else's vote is going astray. It's the only explanation.
> > Lisa Williams replied:
> > For the record, "Animals" did get *two* votes last time.
>
Una:
> What?!? That absolutely beggars belief!
>
Una, you were stuffing the ballot box again, weren't you!
Trish
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 09:50:28 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Animals (Was Josette Simon)
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Trish:
> Una:
> > What?!? That absolutely beggars belief!
> >
>
> Una, you were stuffing the ballot box again, weren't you!
When I indulge in ballot-rigging, I do a damn better job than just adding
one extra vote. No, this is the power of informed debate we are seeing at
work. And I, for one, feel better about democracy as a result.
Una
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 08:17:37 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] shooting question
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On Sat 17 Jun, Iain Coleman wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, Judith Proctor wrote:
>
> > The neutron blasters always fire forwards. Don't forget to raise the neutron
> > flare shields before use.
>
>
> Radiation flare shields, shirley.
You're right as always.
Teach me to type when tired.
Judith
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 10:50:26 +0100
From: "Una McCormack" <una@q-research.connectfree.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Boo!
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Betty wrote:
> Hi, Una! Coincidentally, I was just thinking about you, as I've
> finally gotten around to reading _A Stitch in Time_. But that's
> woefully off-topic here, I guess...
:) I guess so. Still like to hear what you thought of it, tho'.
Una
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 03:24:39 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Animals (Was Josette Simon)
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Lisa wrote:
<For the record, "Animals" did get *two* votes last time.>
My ... goodness ... okay, Una was one Original Thinker. Hands up the other
one, inquiring minds want to know.
'Twasnt me, I'm sure I didn't vote for a thing outside my beloved 2nd season
(boringly predictable? Who says so?)
<(I'm having a hard enough time gritting my teeth and doing captures for
"Rumours", which is one of my least favorite episodes but which was a clear
front-runner in the votes so I'm going to do it and get it over with.)>
I'd've helped you rig the ballots, truly I would've (not that I have the
faintest idea how. Reason 922 why Sally Doesn't Belong on the Liberator - I
aren't crooked enough.)
I'm probably the only person who voted for Voice from the Past, actually
(now *don't* snigger*, I know the plot has holes the size of lunar craters,
but the A-B visuals are wonderful and in screen captures, what else counts?)
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 11:44:01 +0100 (BST)
From: Iain Coleman <ijc@bsfiles.nerc-bas.ac.uk>
To: lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Animals (Was Josette Simon)
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On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, Una McCormack wrote:
> Lisa Williams wrote:
>
> > For the record, "Animals" did get *two* votes last time.
>
> What?!? That absolutely beggars belief!
>
Come on, Rogerson, own up.
Iain
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 08:12:24 -0400
From: Harriet Monkhouse <101637.2064@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:blakes7@lysator.liu.se" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: [B7L] Re: Travis
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Jacqueline wrote:
>I have a sneaking suspicion that his desire
>after that episode to destroy the Federation
> was pretty much his way of smashing Servalan's
>favorite toy, because she'd been mean to him.
In the extremely wonderful tape about Travis, The Final Act, the Divine
Boucher does say "the rest of humanity had betrayed him, in the form of his
family, the service". So that would include Servalan, though I think it
implies the resentment is more generalised. Because we see her so often,
maybe we tend to think of Servalan as being the Federation; Travis has
grown up in the system, so can see the whole picture.
Boucher goes on: "I don't know whether the destruction of humanity had
become the substitute for killing Blake, whether Blake and humanity were
one and the same thing and therefore you destroyed the two in one fell
swoop..." which I take to mean that actually, he does think that. Anyway,
in both cases it appears that Travis's anger with specific individuals had
extended to much larger targets. He may be crazy, but there's a sense in
which he's right; if you killed either Servalan or Blake, someone would
replace them. In which case, he really is a mirror image of Blake, who is
not concerned with removing corrupt individuals who have persecuted him but
with overthrowing the whole damn thing.
Harriet
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:04:02 +0100
From: Nicola Collie <nicola@dunedinite.free-online.co.uk>
To: Lysator <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Animals (Was Josette Simon)
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>Lisa wrote:
><For the record, "Animals" did get *two* votes last time.>
Sally:
>My ... goodness ... okay, Una was one Original Thinker. Hands up the other
>one, inquiring minds want to know.
Um, I've a sneaking suspicion that was me... Hey, I'm a Q-sort Account
Five, whaddayou expect?
Of course, If Lisa inspects the votes and discovers I'm totally wrong, this
email never happened.
Nicola, the quiet one in the corner
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:34:39 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: Fwd: [B7L] Re: Orac
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First, I think the only explanation is that Orac _really_ wanted to see
that robot blown up. Apparently, he thought it was competition. Besides
that, there's always the chance his fortune telling circuit came back on
line and told him this was the scenario most likely to end with Servalan
deciding hunting down the Liberator could wait, giving him time to
finally explore strange black holes without being interrupted by pursuit
ships.
On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 14:41:51 PDT "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
writes:
> Betty wrote:
> <I don't think Orac *did* have much in the way of loyalties. Well,
> OK, I
> think he kind of liked Avon (there were those declarations of
> undying
> love in "Sand," if nothing else :)),>
>
> Avon was Orac's very favourite toy.
Yep.
>
> <and he seems at least somewhat concerned about Blake in "Voice,">
>
> and while I agree with you, this is *very* hard to explain, since I
> don't
> think Blake was one of Orac's favourite people *at all*
Orac did it because Avon had told him to just do what Blake said or the
man would never give them the peace and quiet to go off and explore
strange black holes. He may have also pointed out that giving Blake
biting comments, great put downs, and truly clever reasons why they
couldn't do something and come out alive was _his_ job. And he wasn't
sharing.
>
> <A prime example of this is in "Stardrive," where Orac's noticed
> something
> of tremendous potential interest to the crew... and refuses to tell
> them
> about it <snip> of course, Avon annoys me just as much in that scene
> -
> there's no doubt in my mind that he, at least, could have persuaded
> Orac to
> talk.>
>
> But *none* of them even *try* to :-(
>
Well, the others might have been waiting for Avon to argue with Orac and
were too shocked when he didn't to do it themselves. As for Avon, there's
got to be a fanfic covering some very strange motives here.
Assuming this was something he and Orac cooked up ahead of time, the
accident, convincing as it was, wasn't an accident (was Vila in on it,
giving his 'drunken' suggestions on cue? Although they hadn't told him
everything, as usual). The damage was exactly what it was calculated to
be. The delay in finding out about the Space Rats - and their drive - a
calculated delay or a calculated manipulation to make them willing to do
_anything_ to get the drive system that would protect them from some of
these disasters.
As for Dr. Plaxton, how unavoidable was her death _really_? And why would
either Avon or Orac want to get rid of her this badly (I always thought
someone in that crew had enough talent to crank up to shortwave and buy
at least ten minutes convincing the other ships they didn't want to blow
them up [more than ten minutes might have been pusing it, under the
circumstances, but you never know]).
Ellynne
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 20:18:06 -0600
From: "Ellynne G." <rilliara@juno.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Types of Cats
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On Sat, 17 Jun 2000 01:02:33 +0100 "Nyder"
<nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net> writes:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Christine+Steve <cgorman@idirect.com>
> To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2000 12:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [B7L] Types of Cats
>
I was hoping someone else would do this, but -
Rebel Recruiter: Are you blind when you're born?
[Shows video clip of Federation citizens oblivious to all the nasty
things the Federation is doing right in front of them]
Rebel Recruiter: Can you see in the dark?
[Show one Federation citizen suddenly waking up to what's going on,
despite extensive efforts by Fed to keep them from noticing]
Rebel Recruiter: Would you look at a king?
[Clip of angry mob threatening Federation leaders]
RR: Would you sit on his throne?
[Angry citizens storm Federation government offices, seize power for
themselves]
Ensamble: Because
Blake's people are and Blake's people do
Blake's people do and Blake's people would
Blake's people would and Blake's people can
Blake's people can and Blake's people do
Blake's little ship is king of the night
Fighting at astronomical heights
Blowing up Travis and Servalan
(Although they survived it, not everyone can)
The mystical divinity of fighitng through infinity
Helped all the rebels freedom make
Life to the everstruggling Blake!
Rebel fighter faithful and true
To others who do what Blake's people can and Blake's people do
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 09:34:33 -0500
From: Lisa Williams <lcw@dallas.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Animals (Was Josette Simon)
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Nicola Collie wrote:
>Of course, If Lisa inspects the votes and discovers I'm totally wrong,
>this email never happened.
Once the voting was over I only kept the final tally, not the
who-voted-for-what records, so I can't tell who the other "Animals" fancier
was. (Though my own guess is the same as Iain's.)
Oh, and Sally -- yes, there was only one vote for "Voice from the Past", so
if that's yours, you were on your own.
- Lisa
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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:19:24 CEST
From: "Jurgen van de Sanden" <blakes7@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Animals (Was Josette Simon)
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The message below is the admission of entry to the Animals Fraternity that I
sent to Una. I have now decided to make it public! :-) No, I will NOT
abstain from doing it, cause I'm really not afraid of being bashed over the
head by all the people who loathe 'Animals'. No, I won't. Servalan: Yes, you
will. Won't you? No... (Jurgen smiles) :-)
Oh my God, Una, I read your defence of 'Animals' and I agree with you!!
Thank you so much for writing it! I'd like to give you a big hug for that!
Don't worry, you haven't completely lost your cause. :-)
I'm someone who thinks 'Animals' is great, and I'm not ashamed of it at all!
I love the character of Dayna and the way she is played by the talented
Josette Simon. Josette's performance in 'Animals' is excellent. The episode
shows that Dayna is not just a killer, but that she has feelings too. I
really sympathise with her when she is tortured and then forced to undergo
aversion therapy by Servalan (You're absolutely right that Pearce is on top
form, Una!). At the end I can't keep myself from getting tears in my eyes
(Well, I use to get those at the end of an episode anyway!), as I feel so
sorry about poor Dayna. Yeah, I know Dayna seems to get over Justin's death
pretty soon, but we don't see everything that happens, now do we? Another
reason why I think 'Animals' is so unpopular is that Avon plays such a minor
part. Isn't it true that he's one of the most popular B7 characters...? :-)
A strange thing about 'Animals' is the ending. Why on Earth (or should I say
on Bucol 2?) did Mary Ridge (or whoever it was) decide to repeat the same
shot of Dayna breaking down in tears over Justin's dead body?!! Any
suggestions, Una?
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