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blakes7-d Digest Volume 00 : Issue 164
Today's Topics:
[B7L] Travis
Re: [B7L] Travis
Re: [B7L] Model of Avon and possibly Blake
Re: [B7L] Travis
Re: [B7L] Other peoples mail
Re: [B7L] Models
[B7L] Re: Introduction & Murals
Re: [B7L] Travis
[B7L] Novelised transcripts
Re: [B7L] Bounty
Re: [B7L] Novelised transcripts
Re: [B7L] Types of Cats
Re: [B7L] Re: Always the bridesmaid, killed off all the grooms ...
Re: [B7L] Types of Cats
Re: [B7L] Research
Re: [B7L] Travis
[B7L] Caption contest
Re: [B7L] Re: Always the bridesmaid, killed off all the grooms ...
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:54:53 EST
From: "Jessica Taylor" <morgaine54@hotmail.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Travis
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Can anyone help me,
What exactly do you think Travis's motives were. That is was his crusade
against Blake solely about getting revenge or was there some patriotism
there too. I'm trying to write something and it's bugging me.
Jessica
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 01:29:40 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis
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At 04:54 PM 6/15/00 -0500, Jessica Taylor wrote:
>What exactly do you think Travis's motives were. That is was his crusade
>against Blake solely about getting revenge or was there some patriotism
>there too. I'm trying to write something and it's bugging me.
In my opinion it started off as patriotism with just a smidgen of personal
vendetta, and gradually mutated over the course of numerous losses and
frustrations into good old-fashioned revenge.
I'd say the personal began to outweigh the professional after "Project
Avalon", but that he did not entirely dispense with the pretense that he
was doing this for the sake of the Federation until (obviously, I suppose)
"Trial".
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:24:02 +0930
From: "Minnie" <minnie@picknowl.com.au>
To: "Judith Proctor" <Judith@blakes-7.com>,
"Lysator List" <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Model of Avon and possibly Blake
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>>Judith wrote:
>Ah well <grin>, committing is what really counts.
>>I think Ian may be a busy man if things go on at this rate.
>
Any reason we couldnt have a Liberator??
I'd commit to that. <G>
Id love the whole set, but I cant afford it at the moment :(
Min.xxx
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:16:52 +0200
From: Jacqueline Thijsen <inquisitioner@wish.net>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis
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At 23:54 15-6-00, Jessica Taylor wrote:
>Can anyone help me,
>What exactly do you think Travis's motives were. That is was his crusade
>against Blake solely about getting revenge or was there some patriotism
>there too. I'm trying to write something and it's bugging me.
I think even Travis himself didn't know the answer to that one. I always
saw him as one of those career military officers who identified so much
with the Federation that an affront to the Federation was seen as an
affront to himself and vice versa. Captain Picard is a "good guy" example
of this type. Remember the pilot of DS9, where looked at Sisko with
undisguised disgust, simply because Sisko considered leaving Starfleet so
that he could raise his son in a more stable environment? As far as this
type is concerned, there is no difference between revenge for personal
reasons or patriotism.
Just look at the difference in attitude before and after Travis got kicked
out of Space Command. Before, he killed Blake on sight (well, the clone,
anyway), and only witheld his fire for a moment at another time (during
Orac) because Servalan wanted it. Afterwards, he first saw capturing and
killing Blake as a means to get his commission back, and when this failed
(twice), he didn't even bother to hunt Blake so much anymore. That doesn't
mean that he stopped hating Blake, but the drive was gone. Just look at
Gambit, where he barely seemed interested in the fact that Blake was
standing next to him and even allowed Blake to take care of the bomb in his
arm. That's a far cry from the rabid hatred we saw in Weapon. And the
difference, in my mind, is that Travis had stopped identifying with his
former job and was at that point far more interested in revenge on those
who threw him out, which drove the still existing hatred for Blake to a
manageable second place.
And maybe revenge is the wrong word at first. The way I see it, he first
saw Star One as a way to force Servalan (who's become the embodiment of the
Federation to him) to start appreciating him again. Just look at The
Keeper, where he wasn't really interested in whatever Liberator crewmembers
happened to be walking around, but left in a snit when Servalan wouldn't
accept his offer to share power. His renewed hatred for Blake at Star One
was mostly fueled by the fact that Blake had managed to throw a monkey
wrench in his neat little plan once again. The old hatred only served to
make sure that the main focus for his renewed hatred was Blake, and not
Avon, but it was no longer a driving force.
I hope this helped with your story.
Jacqueline
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 02:36:45 PDT
From: "Sally Manton" <smanton@hotmail.com>
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Trish wrote:
<And how are you at imitating household appliances? I hear a Penny version
of "I'm a Little Teapot" coming on...>
"I'm a Lethal Teapot", surely ...
Sorry.
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:31:34 -0700
From: Susie W <piscescat@home.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Models
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I'd be interested in a Liberator AND a Scorpio.
And I just sent Judith 2 emails saying "yes" to Servalan, Vila &
Soolin. While I'm at it, I'll say yes to Jenna, Cally, Gan, Tarrant,
Dayna and Travis. Oh, and Orac.
Susie
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:45:22 EDT
From: JEB31538@cs.com
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Re: Introduction & Murals
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Isobel said:
> Oh, one last thing.. I'm a mural painter, so if anyone would like to
> commission a B7 mural.. ;o) http://surf.to/murals
>
Welcome, Isobel.
A B7 mural---what a wonderful idea! Now all you need is a rich B7 fan in
England with a big wall and a family that doesn't object to the fan's
obsession. I hope you get a taker.
Joyce Bowen
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 12:04:25 -0600
From: Penny Dreadful <pennydreadful@powersurfr.com>
To: Blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis
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Wow, Sister Jacqueline, that's a much more insightful response into Travis'
psyche than mine. Listen to Jacqueline, Jessica! She is wise! I am merely
her happy little mutoid.
(it's a good thing Penny Dreadfuls don't have to rely on character
development for their entertainment value ;-p)
--Penny
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:51:26 CEST
From: "Jurgen van de Sanden" <blakes7@hotmail.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: [B7L] Novelised transcripts
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Does anybody on this mailing list feel like writing novelised transcripts of
the B7 episodes like Jill Sylvan did? That would really be great. I know
it's a LOT of work, but it would certainly be appreciated by many fans.
Unfortunately I can't do it myself, as I'm not a native speaker of
English... :-(
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:34:42 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Bounty
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On Tue 13 Jun, Neil Faulkner wrote:
>
> > Would anyone be interested in a visit to the tower used in Bounty? (the
> one
> > with the thing that looks like the Eifel tower on top)
>
> Living within about four miles of the thing, how can I refuse?
Great! You're hearby appointed as native guide <smile>.
The date will probably be sometime at the end of the summer (as my summer seems
to be filling up with conventions, folk festivals, family holidays etc). Once
I've found out if any of the Dorset group want to come, I'll mention possible
dates to those interested and see which is best.
> > There's a couple of other things to see in the immediate area, gardens, a
> small
> > museum, Quex House (the tower is in Quex park in Kent) and I think it
> would make
> > a pleasant day out to spend with other fans.
>
> The museum is *fantastic*. It's full of dioramas of stuffed animals (an
> earlier Powell-Cotton was an enthusiastic big game hunter who later turned
> conservationist). The first gallery you walk into, you see a glass case in
> front of you, about 20 feet high, with whole *trees* in it. And the
> branches are dripping with monkeys.
>
> There's also a large collection of weapons (19th Century firearms, African
> and Asian hand weapons), ethnographic artefacts, local archaeology etc.
> Small is beautiful, well worth a visit.
Sounds great. Ideosyncratic museums can be really interesting. I'll add it to
the tour.
Judith
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:13:20 -0700
From: Susie W <piscescat@home.com>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
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> Does anybody on this mailing list feel like writing novelised transcripts of the B7 episodes like Jill Sylvan did?
I think it'd be really fun to do. Time is the enemy.
-Susie
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 11:25:59 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: "b7" <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Types of Cats
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----- Original Message -----
From: Julia Jones <julia.lysator@jajones.demon.co.uk>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Cc: b7 <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 7:30 PM
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> In message <000701bfd62a$7af96b40$e535fea9@neilfaulkner>, Neil Faulkner
> <N.Faulkner@tesco.net> writes
> >ObB7 ... Er .. was Krantor's cat put in to suggest a Blofeld connection?
>
> I think it's just a standard Evil Overlord accessory.
Yes, but I thought it was Blofeld who more or less invented the cliche of
the Evil Overlord with the cat. Although, come to think of it, didn't the
nasty bloke in "Ben Hur" (the Gore Vidal version with Charlton Heston) have
a little lapdog or something?
Fiona Moore
(been lurking a while, now adding my tuppen'orth)
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St Cross College, Oxford
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Liberte - Egalite - Postmodernite
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:49:40 +0100
From: "Nyder" <nyder@moore.britishlibrary.net>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Always the bridesmaid, killed off all the grooms ...
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From: Sally Manton <smanton@hotmail.com>
To: <blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Always the bridesmaid, killed off all the grooms ...
> After Helen wrote:
>
> <I get to stand next to her in an ugly bridesmaid dress (I know,
redundancy
> in the dress description).>
>
> Mistral suggested:
> <Pretend you're Servalan. She can carry off anything.>
>
> *Anything??* (Mentally dressing a Servie doll in the pink and lime green
> lace dresses I saw at one wedding last year, complete with a row of bows
> round the neck, a BIG pink bow at the back, and puff sleeves.)
>
> Not quite, Mistral. Sorry. But OTOH, that's not a bad punishment for her
> sins ... in hell (or Sally's PGP land) Servalan is forced to wear fluffy
> cutesy lacy bridesmaid's dresses for the rest of her (probably unatural)
> life.
>
> And flat shoes.
>
No, no, I'm with Mistral-- I think that woman could wear a gunnysack and it
would look good on her. Frankly if she could manage to wear those outfits in
"Pressure Point" (ooh, that hat!) and maintain a modicum of dignity, she
*can* carry off anything.
(mentally dressing S. in the same outfit, and finding that however I picture
it, she's always got this ironic expression on her face that turns the whole
thing into a deeply postmodern fashion statement)
Fiona
Fiona Moore
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:16:58 -0700
From: Nick Moffitt <nick@zork.net>
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begin Nyder quotation:
> Yes, but I thought it was Blofeld who more or less invented the
> cliche of the Evil Overlord with the cat. Although, come to think of
> it, didn't the nasty bloke in "Ben Hur" (the Gore Vidal version with
> Charlton Heston) have a little lapdog or something?
It's all about Roger Moore petting the piglet in Spice World.
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 16:41:10 -0700
From: Nick Moffitt <nick@zork.net>
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begin Christine+Steve quotation:
> But I need a little help with a fact. The crystals the crew were
> after in City - did they ever get named? I know they were used
> in the Liberator's weaponry system, but was there anymore
> information given? I can't remember if they were mentioned in
> any other episode.
They were never mentioned in the apisode as anything other
than "the crystals". I can't recall them being mentioned in any other
episodes. Sometimes you'll see them referred to as "homeworld
crystals", since Kerril christens the planet "Homeworld" just before
she tosses one.
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:15:13 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
Subject: Re: [B7L] Travis
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On Thu 15 Jun, Jacqueline Thijsen wrote:
> That doesn't mean that he stopped hating Blake, but the drive was gone. Just
> look at Gambit, where he barely seemed interested in the fact that Blake was
> standing next to him and even allowed Blake to take care of the bomb in his
> arm. That's a far cry from the rabid hatred we saw in Weapon
I think a lot of people miss that point as it isn't very clear in the episode.
Travis knew about the bomb (though I forget how) and expected it to go off and
kill Blake. He was willing to die as long as Blake died too.
I can't now recall why Servalan didn't actually arm the bomb, but there was an
implied reason. I think her main aim was for Krantor to *think* it was armed.
Judith
> I hope this helped with your story.
>
> Jacqueline
>
>
>
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Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 22:13:02 +0100 (BST)
From: Judith Proctor <Judith@blakes-7.com>
To: Lysator List <Blakes7@lysator.liu.se>
cc: Freedom City <freedom-city@blakes-7.org>
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Many thanks to those who reported the bug on the caption contest.
It's now fixed (touch wood).
Judith
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Date: Fri Jun 16 11:11:49 BST 2000
From: Ika <blake@gaudaprime.co.uk>
To: blakes7@lysator.liu.se
Subject: Re: [B7L] Re: Always the bridesmaid, killed off all the grooms ...
Message-Id: <200006161016.LAA19218@ns4.uk2net.com>
Fiona on Servalan in bridesmaid's gear:
> No, no, I'm with Mistral-- I think that woman could wear a gunnysack and it
> would look good on her. Frankly if she could manage to wear those outfits in
> "Pressure Point" (ooh, that hat!) and maintain a modicum of dignity, she
> *can* carry off anything.
>
> (mentally dressing S. in the same outfit, and finding that however I picture
> it, she's always got this ironic expression on her face that turns the whole
> thing into a deeply postmodern fashion statement)
>
> Fiona
I *love* the hat in Pressure Point!
The outfit in Harvest of Kairos, on the other hand, pushes Servalan's
postmodern fashion skills to the very limit. And maybe beyond.
Love,
Ika
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